Konsep Baru’ of the NCR land development by Sarawak State Government

Article by IDEAL

Dayakbaru:  This article will help you understand the early struggle of Dayak to keeptheir land. This struggle stillcontinue and we must choose the ballot boxes to provide the solution.

Land Disputes with government

The disputes of NCR (native customary right) land between the indigenous people of Sarawak and the various state development agencies has been going on since earlier this century when other settlers landed.

It became more noticeable in the 60s when logging first started in swamp forest and the dispute accelerated in the mid 70s when the logging industry moved upstream. The conflicts intensified lately when new legislation encouraged developers to open up further NCR land in the name of development.

Introduction of NCR Land Development Scheme“Konsep Baru”

Since the second half of 1995, The Sarawak state government has introduced a NCR land development scheme called ‘Konsep Baru’, or literally translated as ‘New Concept’.

In this scheme, all NCR lands in an area would be amalgamated into one large block deleting existing boundaries and only ONE land title is to be issued.

SLDB and LCDA

Two state agencies, the Sarawak Land Development Board (SLDB) and the Land Custody and Development Authority (LCDA) would act as the Trust Agents (with Power of Attorney [P.A.]) for the NCR landowners to form joint-venture companies with foreign or local private plantation companies. These private companies would be selected by the agencies themselves, to be partners in the implementation of plantation projects on Native Customary Land.

Land Title is issued to JV Company – for 60 years

The land title would be issued in the name of the joint-venture company lasting a period of 60 years. Upon expiry of the 60 years, the NCR landowners ‘may apply’ to the ‘Land and Survey Department’ for the issue of a grant over one’s land and the Superintendent of Land & Survey ‘may issue’ the grant to the landowner with terms and conditions as he deems fit to impose.

This is the process recently being passed (November, 1997) in the Sarawak Dewan Undangan Negeri (State Legislative Assembly).

Non-guarantee term – for land to revert to Dayak owners

The difference between NCR land and lease land is that the NCR land is perpetual subject to observance of customary laws and practices, but a grant of land by the Sarawak government is a renewable lease for 60 years. In addition, the words used in the legislation passed in November 1997 which specify ‘may apply’ and ‘may issue’ are non-guarantee terms.

Equity

In the joint-venture (JV) company set-up, the private concerns will have 60% equity while the State land agency will hold 10%, and the NCR landowners will get 30% equity share for ‘investing their land’ for a renewable term of 60 years.

Land Owner has no rights – given away through signing the power of attorney

In this joint-venture set-up, the landowners do not have any say nor the right to sit in the JV Board since they would be made to sign the ‘Power Of Attorney’ to leave all rights over their lands to the Managing Agent before the project begins.

After 60 years, the land may be given back to the NCR landowners, but a caveat that the investing concerns have had recouped their capital investments.

The existing land code governing all land matters in the state does not give the NCR landowners any right to what the communities claim as ‘Menoa’ (ancestral domain).

The indigenous peoples have been repeatedly told that if they don’t jump aboard plantation schemes or have their NCR land developed, they would lose everything because land would be developed anyway. The government can do that by invoking other provisions in the Sarawak Land Code because NCR land is defined differently in the statute and as with other categories of land, the Minister is empowered to declare any piece of land as developed area hence taking over such land for development purposes.

JV company need not buy land – just inject capital investment

In the JV company, the project developers, who do not need to buy land but just put in capital investment to develop the plantations, get a 60% stake. In addition, the JV company can use the land to borrow money locally or aboard. If they don’t make profit during the initial 60 years, they can seek the permission of the Minister to extend the land lease.

If the NCR land is forested, the JV company will further have free capital in areas with merchandise timber through logging.

As the NCR landowners are rid of power and rights to check the JV’s management, accounts and all related matters, the landowners cannot ensure themselves that the JV company is making profit and that they would be receiving appropriate portions of any dividend.

The fear of losing their ancestral land indefinitely is not un-founded at all.

The cultural values of the NCR land to the indigenous communities are not addressed by the government in formulating this ‘konsep Baru’. In pursuant to the proposed changes, the cultural alienation and threat to a unique identity and integrity of the Sarawak indigenous communities is an inevitable result.

Natives have no control at all on what is being done to their land

Besides, when the indigenous communities are not involved in the management of the JV company and they have no control over what is being proposed, the intention of such schemes by the Sarawak state government – that is to lift the standard of living of the rural indigenous communities and to rid these communities of poverty – is doubtful. This is because the aspirations, needs and other general interests of the indigenous communities are not being taken care of in the proposal.

The cases of dispute over the NCR land

As some of the examples outlined below, the dispute shows no sign of heading for any amicable settlement and instead, there are increasing cases of hardships and unhappiness being experienced by these indigenous communities, with even cases of death as was the case in Bakong when the police fired and killed a person involved in a land dispute.

If anything, all indications point to the State authorities stepping up its effort to quell any form of dissent, however legitimate and peaceful, as is the case of Sarawak’s indigenous communities over such proposal.

1. Bintulu Pulp and Paper Mill Project

Borneo Paper and Pulp Mill project (a joint venture of Sarawak Timber Industry Corporation [a State Government body] with 40% interest and Asia Pulp Company Limited with 60% [a Singapore based holding company attached to Indonesian owned Sinar Mas Group]) is located in a new township named Semarakan, some 45 km south of Bintulu and 23 km from Tatau Town at the Tatau River bridge of Sibu-Bintulu Road.

A 3,000 hectare land next to the proposed Borneo Pulp and Paper Mill project had being earmarked for the township to accommodate more than 10,000 people working in various categories of jobs in the projects.

The mill is leading to further clearing of 216,000 ha (28% or 60,000 ha are NCR land) of land in the surrounding area for namely Acacia Mangium plantation where synthetic chemical fertiliser (800 g per tree) and pesticide would be applied. A total of 606,000 ha of primary and logged over forest land is designated as supply ground for the pulp and paper mill.

An EIA for the projects was carried out in 1996 and the project was approved in December in the same year. The 277 families of the immediately affected 12 longhouses only then started to realise that the promise of a compensation of RM 6,000 for an acre has shrank to RM 1,600.

The contractors soon arrived to carry out land clearing and claiming the right to sell the logged timber. All these factors sparked off immediate conflict between many local residents with the project proponent.

A committee of 7 members was formed by the affected families in September 1997, headed by Jaili bin Sulaiman, an ethnic Kenyah Muslim. It exist to seek justice and fair compensation for the NCR landowners.

Jaili was arrested

On 5 November 1997, Jaili was arrested and charged with threatening and causing obstruction to the proposed RM3 billion project. The incident then led to the demonstration of 30 other members of the community, demanding the immediate release of their leader in front of the police station in Bintulu where he was being remanded.

The people then further organise themselves in seeking a court injunction to prohibit the project for taking over their NCR land in the total 6,200 ha of area designated for the mill project. Their counsel has also filed an initial urgent application on behalf of Jaili in Miri Hugh Court against the Ministerial Directive dated 6 February, 1997 and the court set 22 April as the date for the hearing.

2. Bakong shooting case

A dispute happened between the Iban longhouse villagers in Bakong (about 100 km from Miri) against workers of the companies that are going to develop their land. During the height of the incident, the villagers were alleged to have seized three bulldozers from the workers and allegedly attacked the police officers who had moved in to retrieve the bulldozers.

Three villagers and eight policemen were injured in the clash which followed. A villager later died from a gunshot wound in the head at the Miri General Hospital.

Segarakam Sdn Bhd, Prana Sdn Bhd, Empresa (M) Sdn Bhd

On 29 December 1997, the longhouse head TR. Banggau Andop & 2 others filed a suit to stop the activities of the oil palm plantation companies, Segarakam Sdn Bhd, Prana Sdn Bhd, and Empresa (M) Sdn Bhd within their native customary land. They also named the Land Custody and Development Authority (LCDA) and the state government as defendants in the case. They are challenging the issue with intend to have the court declare as illegal, null and void the provisional lease issued by the Land and Surveys Department.

The counsel for Prana Sdn Bhd told the court that the firm had stop operation and is withdrawing from the area.

Tr. Banggau was arrested by the police

Immediately after the court case on 23rd January 1998, Headman TR. Banggau was arrested by the police. There was no explanation given to him for his arrest. When TR. Banggau was release after the remand, he was charged by the police with ‘gang robbery’ and ‘using of arms in a riot’.

However, these charges are yet to be produced to the magistrate. This shows that instead of carrying out an investigation on the shooting, the police is pressing serious charges against the community people.

3. 42 wrongful arrest case in Sg. Bong

42 Indigenous People were arrested in Sg. Bong, Teru, Miri Division in a dispute with an oil palm plantation company when they were trying to negotiate a peaceful settlement with the land surveyors who work for the plantation company in June, 1997. The 42 arrested were then asked to sign a bond of good behaviour.

A number of them refused to sign and challenged the magistrate in the High Court. The court ruled in favour of the people. This is a clear case of wrongful arrest. The community of Rumah Reggie then challenged the company by filing a court injunction against the plantation company, Nationmark, with the hearing set for April, 1998.

4. Problems faced by the Penan community in Ulu Baram

The Penan are one of the several smaller indigenous ethnic groups in Sarawak, with some still leading their already threatened nomadic lifestyles. They were in Sarawak even before the Brunei sultanate reign in Sarawak.

The livelihood of the Penan community in Ulu Baram has been greatly affected by the logging activity in their areas since the loggers encroached into the interior of Baram, Miri Division in mid 1980s.

A series of blockades highlighted in 1987 had brought national as well as international attention. However, much efforts in the last ten year, including the numerous appeals made by the Penan themselves to the authorities and parties concern seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

The problems they continue to face become more immediately, and among others, are:

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Logging is continuing to wreck havoc on the environment, encroached upon communal territories, and threaten the very existence of the people;

  • Water supply from the rivers and other water catchment area being polluted by logging and related activities;
  • The weather is getting hotter with disappearing forest, resulting in many people getting sick; (note: they are people of deep forest, drastic change of physical environment would be hard for them to adjust)
  • The continuing presence of armed Police Field Force and the numerous threat from the police against community people.
  • With the forest fast disappearing, their main source of livelihood is almost destroyed. The plants and trees, which act as a combination of food and medicinal source for the people and various animals are decreasing and a lot of fish in the rivers are killed due to pollution.
  • Besides, outsiders and other communities who have the means have intruded into the Penan village vicinity and compete for their wild game, fish and other food sources. This has also caused tension among the different communities.

Police FieldForce are taking side with the land developer

All these problems are a consequence of the activities of timber companies and the armed Police Field Force (PFF) in the area, with the PFF clearly on the side on the timber companies and their workers.

Whenever the affected villagers want to defend their rights over their land from further destruction by the timber companies, the PFF would be there to intimidate the Penan harshly and sometimes pointing their guns towards them, throwing tear gas, or arrest them.

Many have in fact been arrested, imprisoned and some are still awaiting their trial for defending the Penan’s land and their livelihood. These have continued to worsen the people’s suffering.

5. Sebatu-Suai illegal land clearing

The 110 families of Sebatu-Suai, in the Miri Division is in the process of filing for a court injunction to stop plantation company from further carry out work on their NCR land.

Since July 1996, these 110 Iban families at Sebatu-Suai have been struggling to protect their NCR land from being bulldozed and turned into an oil palm plantation by a joint-venture company between the Sarawak State Government and Tradewinds Plantation Services Sdn Bhd of West Malaysia.

Johnson Enterprise, Tradewinds contractor, had initially sent the local residents a letter offering to buy their land at RM100/ per acre. However, this was met with strong rejection by these 110 families. Nevertheless, Johnson Enterprise continued its field clearing work without the affected peoples’ consent.

A series of community action to stop the destruction of their crops and land have been done by the people since the beginning, including:

  • complaint lodged with the District Officer and requested for official intervention on 17th Sept.1996;
  • held ‘Miring Bebuling Menoa’ ceremony according to Adat Asal (traditional customs) on 3 Dec.1996 and at the same day withheld company’s bulldozer and sent it to Batu Niah Police Station hoping to halt further damage to their land;
  • lodged police report on the damaged of their property caused by the plantation company on 7 Dec.1996;
  • gathering of 60 persons at their ‘temuda’ (communal land) to stop the workers from continuing field work and withheld bulldozer and later submitted the key to the police station on 16 January.1997.

Troop of policemen were sent by the government

Instead of looking into their issue, the authority sent a troop of policemen , about 15 in number, on 17 Jan.1997 to one of the longhouse, Rumah Junit, and remanded 5 persons for 10 nights at the Miri police station for investigation and later charged them for disturbing peace.

They were released on self-bail of RM1000/- each. Later, the Magistrate bonded them over for good behaviour.

6. Suai Tengah people’s alert

In December, 1997 Sarawak Oil Palm Bhd (S.O.P.), a public listed company with a state statutory body, the Land Custody and Development Authority (LCDA) being majority share holders, commissioned a surveying work in the affected longhouses’ menoa through private surveying company without permission from the 4 longhouses, – Rh. Lasan, Rh. Libau, Rh. Gerang, and Rh. Abot., Miri Division.

Also on 3 Jan.1998, the longhouse people came across a ‘News In Brief’ in a local newspaper announcing the plan of S.O.P. to open another 9 blocks of land in their area for plantation. The longhouse residents immediately realised that the two matters were in fact related or of the same project.

These Iban residents immediately took up a series of action to deal with this unauthorised survey issue. A dialogue session was arranged at Sepupok Niah SAO (Senior Administrative Officer) Office on 17.1.98.

The longhouse delegation of about 55 persons met with the manager, assistant manager and high ranking officer of Sarawak Oil Palm with the SAO as witness.

Then on 21.1.98, the representatives of the 4 longhouses went to Kuching, the State capital, to submit their memorandum in person to the Land Development Minister, Datuk Alfred Jabu and ex-Land Development Minister, Datuk Celestine Ujang.

On 24 – 27 Jan. 1998, for 4 consecutive days, the people of these 4 longhouses carried out boundary marking work on their own menoa and put up sign board of notice to deter further encroachment from outsiders.

Even after these actions, the people still felt uneasy and rather worried about the said plan of S.O.P.

An inter-longhouses meeting was called on 4 Feb.1998 to decide on actions to be taken. On the next day, a delegation of 25 representatives (Headmen and longhouse representatives) went to Bintulu to meet with the chairman of PBDS (Parti Bangsa Dayak Sarawak is a component party of the ruling National Front Coalition Government) and the State Assembly member, Mr. Michael Sim to express their anxiety over the plantation matter. These two persons in the governing structure promised to bring the matter to the attention of the higher authority.

The longhouse folks did not feel much better after these words of assurance.

On 6 Feb. 98, they had another inter-longhouse meeting and this time they decided to go to a lawyer to draft and send two memorandum letters on the matter. This was done on 9 Feb. 1998 in Miri.

7. Kanowit-Machan resistence

This area is one of the pilot project of developing NCR land according to ‘Konsep Baru’ beginning in 1997. However, several longhouses in Sungei Tuah (such as Rumah Pius and two others) and in Machan-Durin, Sibu Division (such as Rumah Jali, some families from other longhouses such as Rumah Muli and Seling) have strongly and repeatedly informed the authority of their stance against joining the oil palm plantation, and instead had chosen to develop the land by themselves.

However, the authority and the plantation company concerned seemingly choose to ignore their rights to decide on their own. All through the field clearing period for the oil palm planting, bulldozers razed through their temuda and Menoa without permission or consultation. Crops, fruit trees as well as the only gravity pipe water system were destroyed and land were made bareness.

Affected families then organised themselves and took shift to check and guard their land and menoa boundary in order to deter further encroachment (such as Rumah Jali’s folks were on a 24 hours shift duty). Nevertheless, some parts of their land were still damaged by the plantation activities. Protest letters demanding cessation of encroachment activities and compensation for the land disturbed according to Adat (traditional custom) were either sent to or handed in person to the plantation company and authority concerned.

After all these rounds of defending their rights to their own land, the plantation company have presently cease to further encroach onto their land but demand for compensation to damages are still yet to be settled.

Conclusion

Hopefully this articles will help young Dayabaru to understand the NCR land development issues in Sarawak.

There will come a time when Dayabaru will lost all options to bring about a “win-win situation” in NCR land development due to the arrogance of BN government. The BN government will be held entirely accountable for any consequences that may resulted from Dayak reistance towards land grabbing.

Change WE must.

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77 Responses to “Konsep Baru’ of the NCR land development by Sarawak State Government”

  1. Equaliser on November 11th, 2009 8:40 pm

    Dear Dr. John,

    The article by Ideal is long and hard for me to digest all.

    The New Concept should be seen as a business contract-agreement as practised in the private sector. Any short-coming should be seen from that point of view, a business contract-agreement. How good it is depends on the parties concerned who brokered on it.

    It is like the Social Contract of Independence when the Federal Constitutions were drafted and made into an official document in 1963.

    The recent “revelation” of the mixed Iban-chinese girl, Marina Undau, is a example of the victim of the Federal Constitutions, poorly drafted for Sarawak.

    For the Federal Constitutions it was done once in 1963. But the contracts of NCR land projects are drafted and signed many times over since it was first launched. What I am trying to get at is, the contracts could be improved for the land-owners based on the past experiences or failures of the projects.

    Like everything else, we are good at talking about the problems day in and day out, failing to correct the wrongs or flaws after each and every experience.

    It is high time we do not dwell too long on the problems but discuss and find the new correct solutions instead. Then, we can say, we can help the land-owners. Then we can say, we do justice to the land-owners.

    After so many years, we are still talking about the problems. When are we going to stop that and find the solution.

    What are the deals/agreements the land-owners seek for? Can we list them down as examples for them:

    a. 40% share instead of 30% share?
    b. 40 years contract instead of 60 years.
    c. Four managerial posts allocated to the land-owners to fill or decide.
    d. Minimum yearly payment to each and every land-owner RM10,000 for the first three years and thereafter every year RM15,000.
    e. Additional profit share to be given to all land-owners RM8000 per year or more if the palm oil price per tonne is above Rm……..
    f. After 15th year, land titles in term of hectarage and depending upon the size of the land of the owners will be issued accordingly.
    g. On reaching the 35th year, the land-owners may decide to extend the contract farther or not when it expires on the 40th year.

    The above is just an example that the contract could be drafted based on the current market situation of the oil palm industry. It is not to be a dead contract, applicable for all-time plantations.

    Get Tun Jugah Foundation to help draft a smart contract agreement for all land-owners.

    Thank you, Dr. John.

  2. batulawi on November 12th, 2009 12:25 am

    It is good way to make easy money. The LCDA was created and designed to extort money from the Dayaks. No matter how the BN gomen try to justify their evil deeds it always comes to the same point…that is ROBBERY AND EXTORTION. Call it development…rural development or any other names, the LCDA is still and always be a tool of extortion. Robbing and chasing the Dayaks away from their own ancestral land.

    Dont deal with the LCDA and do away with the Creator of the LCDA, the BN gomen.

    Change we must!!!

  3. Anderson Melintang on November 12th, 2009 7:43 am

    HELLO KABAN DB,

    DB GROUP IS THE WORST PLANNER OF NCR LAND-IS A GREAT SHAME

    Common blogger friend of DB, what would you do to churn NCR land into a profitable plot to improve the life of dayak….. “YOU DONE NOTHING”…..It indeed regret to say here you just criticised and CRITCIISED the govt effort, but yet no suggestion, strategy coming out from you to help the dayak in the rural area.

    If you never have an experience to swing a parang bangkok, duku or changkul, then you will know how hard is a life to be a farmer in longhouse.

    You are just blogging, with your head hardened like recalcitrant, turn anything into a negative mode. Are this type of dayakbaru you are producing in the future. If so, the dayak will be forever behind other race.

    Just go back to your longhouse backward (ujung bilik), there are jungle2 of unproductive vegetation, and yet no effort have been done to turn it vegetable plot of rubber tree plantation. DB what are going to suggest for this type of scenario.

    Are just still poisoning their mind by saying “BE HOLD TO NCR LAND UNTIL IT DEVELOP INTO JUNGLES OF STUPID MONKEY.”…

    Please DB print your brochure, plan and distribute to longhouse people indicate that the “BN WAY OF DEVELOPING NCR LAND WILL BRING DAYAK TO BETTER ECONOMY”.

    HIDUP BN &1MALAYSIA

    Nya aja kaban.

  4. MERAMAT TAJAK on November 12th, 2009 10:02 am

    Equaliser on November 11th, 2009 8:40 pm ,
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    Excellent, well-meaning post.I’ll weigh in, before your post scroll off the screen, and forgotten.

    Of your questions (a) to (f), note the underlying principle:

    1. The model contract is between PELITA, as government-designated trustee for the Natives and as 10% shareholder, and a plantation company. PELITA and the plantation company, would form a JV Company to define the equity structure and to raise funding,as an independent company.

    2. The Natives “shareholders” are not party to the Contract, as they have effectively surrender their rights to PELITA, whose role as Trustee,goes beyond a commercial instrument but to include powers-of-attorney.

    3. There is no inter alia agreement between the Natives and PELITA, that would permit a legal vehicle, through which the Natives are recognised as Shareholders, and by normal corporate law, would require them to have representative in the Board of Directors.

    4. The absence of any agreement whatsoever, between the Natives and PELITA, in respect of PELITAs agreement with the Plantation Company, means the Natives will have no right of legal recourse, should PELITA choose the misrepresent the Natives interest in the JV company.

    5. PELITA, and the State Government, lease out a block of Native land, paying dismal attention on delineating individual owners land boundary, BEFORE the whole block was developed. As a result, the traditional markers between land boundary, defined by natural land mark is often lost (esp for earlier land development scheme). The much touted GPS marking is meaningless without a reference local coordinate to adjust for earth curvature, and it would have margin of error, of up to 3 meters (depending no of satellites it can see to triangulate and quality of the set).Also, this often lead to gross inaccuracies in the apportion of “shares” to the Natives – where many individuals would have just a few acres, and others would miraculously have 100s hectares.

    With this 5 basic point, I will thus respond to your questions/suggestions as follow:

    a and b: This would violate Taib’s Konsep Baru, from which PELITA had drafted the model contract.So, likely it is a non-starter.

    c: There was some buzz to include a Native representative in the Board of Directors but it is not clear if it has been implemented. This is the only important post, so the Natives would have transparent access to the audited accounts and have voting privilege on the annual dividends, as would normally be accorded to majority shareholders as high as 30%.Given the structure of the commercial agreement,where the Natives had effectively surrender their representation to PELITA, I don’t see how the partner company can be compelled retroatively to hire any of the Natives.It can always argue, rightly so – that is a commercial entity, not a welfare department.

    d.The State BN government has refused to incorporate minimum payment, retroactively or for new agreement.Again, the partner company, in that case would turn around, and ask the State BN government to be the financial guarantor for such an arrangement – which the state BN government has refused. Financial bail outs were extended to GLCs, so there maybe legal/political avenue for the state to allow itself to be a financial guarantor – if it wants to. But to date – no, the government has flatly refused.

    e.Dividend payout is supposedly market driven … but only after more than 10 years. The first 10 years has been granted by the State BN government Konsep Baru model as the period, that the company to recoup its development cost. This commercial model has been proven absolutely wrong for the countless times and under many pricing scenario, even when the oft-quoted gross estimate of RM12K per hectare as the life cycle cost in a typical oil palm agribusiness model, is escalated.

    f.Absolutely not. There is no justification why in the first instance, the NCR land owner has to effectively surrender his NCR rights, in order to get his Land Title. The NCR land must be surveyed, and the Land Title issued, before commencment of the NCR land development. This provide the legal framework, and remove the inaccuracies in the award of dividend. After the land title is issued,the Natives will have legal representation to negotiate a 3-way deal with PELITA and the plantation company.The terms under which the Land Title is surrendered for development by PELITA as the appointed Trustee, can be made more transparent – including exit clause for contract non-performance or criminal breach of trust.The method would also allow the Natives to have the land valuated, and for the shares to be prorated based on the valuation (example so that NCR land with access road would fetch higher unit value, going into the scheme).

    g.The current Konsep Baru model is a fixed term lease of 60 years. Since the State BN Government would have gotten enriched by the 60 year land premium, paid out by the Company, I don’t believe, such exit clause is possible. Worst still, there is a clause in there that provide for option to extend the term beyond 60 years, and for the JV company to put up the block of land for collatoral to raise funds – if the JV does not make money. In that event, it would be anybody guess, if PELITA would care to consult the land owner or the descendants – wherever they may be.

    Hope you have been enlightened by this reply.

    Footnote: those of us who have blogged and exchange views here for sometimes, has developed sufficient body of knowledge about this NCR land issue.It is just not indexed/summarized properly for visitors like yourself. And yes, many have proposed to the government – but the reply has always been that the government is right, and their surrogates and proxies would quick to echo like parrots, that people should not go against the politics of development.And of course, the James Masing parting remark in Al-Jazeera would be that any change should be done through the ballot boxes, to which the DayakBaru can only plead with the masses with “Change We Must”. (Which is too bad; not many intelligent people would want to chase the State BN government out,on account of the NCR land issue alone,but by its (in)action,and the devastating impact the land issue has on the poor rural population (getting even poorer), sooner or later – I believe the Dayak people, both in Urban and Rural, will want remediation by the only avenue possible. I trust Bob Marley instinct, “can’t fool people all the time” or otherwise, Modern Iban Prototype would have proven me wrong – that indeed Dayaks are born to be monkeys forever).

  5. august on November 12th, 2009 10:28 am

    Melintang,
    Do not shout at DB. DB is just an online ‘congregation of Dayaks’ to discuss Dayak issues.Palm oil JV is not all bad but does it benefits Dayaks in 100 years to come? That is after Melintang is no more on earth.Anything can happen but as it is now, the future for NCR land is dark.

    Progress of Iban community should not be confined to longhouses. You are only making blanket statements. There are many other ways Iban lives can be improved. Melintang, did you help Marina with her study application? DB can only discuss but you can take actions,so why wait?Go la see Marina…

  6. Manang Empangau on November 12th, 2009 11:31 am

    DayakBaru is only a think-tank for the Dayak community. It’s just like a Kepayang ngadaka dilah with all the brilliant ideas that maybe difficult for the hard-core poor rural folks to implement. Unggal A. Melintang is correct to say so. DB is only talking revealing their brilliant ideas to the lazy brains but may serve as a good guide to the hardworking rural dayaks who have no time or lack of abilty to think for themselves. We may have all the brilliant ideas but we cannot implement them ourselves, we are only beating louder than an empty tin Milo.

  7. June on November 12th, 2009 1:13 pm

    Thanks A. Melintang…. for telling and sharing with DB the “BN WAY OF DEVELOPING NCR LAND THAT WILL BRING DAYAK TO BETTER ECONOMY”.

    The problem here is that the DB chose an easy way out. They refused to toil on the NCR land but instead prefer to sell their NCR for quick profit.I was told some of DB like PE, IB, CI an the alikes even prepare to give away their land for free as they have no idea how to benifits from it.

    Besides some of the DB are contemplating to emigrate to other countries which is in a way good. The less the opposition in the state the better for BN gomen.

  8. PE on November 12th, 2009 1:37 pm

    Yes June you are right. I do not know how to develope my land and i am going to sell all only to leave a few square meters behind for your grave so that your offsprings can shit and pee on and curse you for good.

  9. Lachung Ajak on November 12th, 2009 2:59 pm

    Borneo Post November,11, 2009.

    Let we share this news.

    KUCHING: A landowner is seeking explanation from the relevant authority pertaining to land which he alleges has been encroached on by a developer through a joint-venture.

    Lebi Impin said his land at Gua, around KM36 Sri Aman- Kuching Road, was bulldozed in 2001 but he has not yet to receive any land or crops compensation.

    Acoording to him, the land has been planted with rubber trees and other crops, when it was cleared by a developer for an oil palm plantation.

    Despite several complaints and reports being made, Lebi said he had yet to receive respond to his plight.

    He said oil palms grown on the land in question were now bearing fruits.

    Comments.
    ———

    A joint-venture project, why Lebi Impin was not compensated. In this case he was cheated by a developer.Normally, through joint-ventures, the landowners would have 30 per cent equity and were given advance payment.

    The government should took into account the crops, properties and location of the land during valuation and the compensation should be paid based on the current market value.

    Perhaps, these are the basis for Lebi in contemplating legal action against the company.

  10. changop4050 on November 12th, 2009 3:38 pm

    LA,

    Have you seen the agreement between Lebi Impin and the developer? I have seen and therefore dare or qualify to comment.

    The agreement prepared by See Chee How (PKR Information Chief and witnessed by PE & CI) stated amongs others that Lebi Impin leased his land to the developer for RM27.00 per annum. He has acknowledged receipt of the lease rental from the developer for the past 5 years. The legal document never say its JV. So why now he claimed the developer is cheating him?

    My feeling is that Lebi Impin must have been instigated by DB who are known to be good in twisting fact with the hope of tarnishing BN gomen good name. Yangdikasihi already said DB are “Specialist Instigator”

    NOTE: Those who has not seen the lease agreement has no locus standi to comment.

  11. Cikgu Iban on November 12th, 2009 3:49 pm

    Changop4D,

    This is absolute fcuking STUPID of you, Changop4D.

    Bastard!!!.

  12. Cikgu Iban on November 12th, 2009 3:52 pm

    June,

    Please stop your nonsense now….

    Go and fcuk off…

  13. changop4050 on November 12th, 2009 4:10 pm

    I was told both PE & CI received substancial amount of commission (introduction fees) from the lawyer for introducing this “bad deal”. If anyone, it must be both who manipulated the deal for a quick gain at the expense of poor Lebi Impin.

  14. Langgai Tinggang on November 12th, 2009 4:25 pm

    Anderson Melintang on November 12th, 2009 7:43 am

    You said:
    DB GROUP IS THE WORST PLANNER OF NCR LAND-IS A GREAT SHAME
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You can make the above accusation for it is your right!!!! We couldn’t care less !!!!!!!!!

    HOWEVER, Mr. Melintang, at this moment, DB group is NEVER a planner of NCR land. The PLANNERS are your YDK and paramount chiefs @ BARISAN NIPU !!!!!!!!!!!
    You can go around and ask the SALCRA participants concerning the dividend. Did they deserve what they should have after participated in SALCRA for more than 10 years.
    Where are the MONIE dissappeared????????

    Is it a PRIORITY to build the so-called WISMA SALCRA which cost MILLIONS where as the MONIE should be given to the land owners @ participants???????

    And I wonder who benefit from the construction of that WISMA !!!!!!!! I hope it not you, Mr. Melintang.

    —————————————————————————————————-

    You said:
    Common blogger friend of DB, what would you do to churn NCR land into a profitable plot to improve the life of dayak….. “YOU DONE NOTHING”…..It indeed regret to say here you just criticised and CRITCIISED the govt effort, but yet no suggestion, strategy coming out from you to help the dayak in the rural area.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Since the DB group have done nothing, may I ask you:
    “WHAT HAVE YOU DONE for our brethren at home????”

    Please LIST OUT your CONTRIBUTIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    If you never have an experience to swing a parang bangkok, duku or changkul, then you will know how hard is a life to be a farmer in longhouse.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    If you know how hard is a life as a farmer,WHAT HAVE YOU DONE to help these farmers????????

    You ROB and MANIPULATE them ????????
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    You are just blogging, with your head hardened like recalcitrant, turn anything into a negative mode. Are this type of dayakbaru you are producing in the future. If so, the dayak will be forever behind other race.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Well, Mr. Melintang, sad to say,the BIRTH of DAYAKBARU is due to the fact that your BARISAN NIPU is actually PENIPU RAKYAT.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    Just go back to your longhouse backward (ujung bilik), there are jungle2 of unproductive vegetation, and yet no effort have been done to turn it vegetable plot of rubber tree plantation. DB what are going to suggest for this type of scenario.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Melintang,GIVE the people what THEY should HAVE!!!
    -Land titles
    -Their Equality as BUMIs’
    * Education
    * Civil services
    * Etc……!!!!!!!
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    Are just still poisoning their mind by saying “BE HOLD TO NCR LAND UNTIL IT DEVELOP INTO JUNGLES OF STUPID MONKEY.”…
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:

    I wonder who are poisoning @ lying@ manipulating THEIR MIND !!!!!!!!!!!

    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    Please DB print your brochure, plan and distribute to longhouse people indicate that the “BN WAY OF DEVELOPING NCR LAND WILL BRING DAYAK TO BETTER ECONOMY”.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    This is the MOST REASONABLE idea you’ve have given all these while.

    And DON’T forget to include ALL DBS’ comments. Let the people be the JUDGE !!!!!!!!!

  15. MJC on November 12th, 2009 4:47 pm

    Cikgu Iban @ Langgai Tinggang

    Why avoid the subject Unggal? Please lah, how much commission you & PE received from Lebi Impin case?

    Nuan tu Unggal baka pagar makai padi. Kaban tua Lebi Impin (orang miskin) udah laboh tinggang nuan enggau lesong. Kapa ngechadi ke duit commission, nadai berakat nya lagi. Enti duit commission kena maya medical bill nadai ga guna Unggal.Enda olih ngaga kita Dayak bakanya Unggal.

  16. Suntat on November 12th, 2009 4:54 pm

    changop 4D,

    Nyaga tepi kain orang..ha..ha, could access to a legal document. Anyway, let your friends PE and CI to be witnesses in the case should Lebi is pursuing legal suit against the company.

  17. Langgai Tinggang on November 12th, 2009 5:14 pm

    ?MJC on November 12th, 2009 4:47 pm

    You said:
    Why avoid the subject Unggal?
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Am I avoiding the subject ??????
    Unggal, please read between the line.
    Don’t jump to the conclusion !!!!!!!!

    What “KONSEP BARU” is your YDK and Barisan Nipu are talking about?????
    For your brilliant mind, the “New concept” have been around for ALMOST half a century !!!!!!

    Konsep baru namanya deh Unggal????? Konsep Baru ka NIPU ????????????
    —————————————————————————————————-You asked:
    Please lah, how much commission you & PE received from Lebi Impin case?
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    We were NOT given any commission to express our dilema in this website.

    Enda baka kita ke bisi Ad Hoc Committee,Unggal.
    Kita nyamai meh Unggal…..dibayar YDK ngena duit taxpayer awak ke komiti kita “NEUTRALIZE” posting bala DB.

    Sorry to say, the DLs would be dissappointed with the result. NO DB will ever subdue to what you said in your postings. Most of your rebuttal points are out-dated especially from your cohort- Dayaklama.

    However, don’t give up.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Enti nadai kita, SUNYI ga kami ba website tu…!

  18. jojis on November 12th, 2009 5:39 pm

    so… any new ideas dayaklama,john jamban,changop? why no comment?

  19. Temawai Lama on November 12th, 2009 5:46 pm

    Tabi Kaban Blogger,

    Terima kasih Anderson Melintang laban nyau ragak agi blog tu kasak penemu nuan. Enti enda pia, boring amat kami ditu, laban sida DB berpolitik bergadai2/ bersagam, enda nemu jako terus to the point. Engka sida ia bedau tuai penemu dalam politik baka sida DL.

    Ba penemu aku, pemansang kitai iban berpanggai amat ba tanah NCR. Enti nadai utai di kerja ba tanah, se-agi agi kitai nadai maju.

    Enti nitih ke penemu sida DB, tanah di peram aja sampai tubuh uchu, ichit laban nganti pala tanah (land title) nya datai. Nya salah penemu nya wai. Anang meh ngeracun penemu orang rumah panjai kaban!!!!!!!.

    Uji kita DB ajar meh orang rumah panjai asoh begulai enggau perintah ngemaju ka diri. Gaga meh pegong ikan kita nitih ke ajar orang agriculture. Cangkul meh tanah ngambi ke bisi endor besayur, lalu tanam meli kelapa sawit di pengerang/jerami aki & ini suba. Enti nadai baja, racun minta subsidi ngagai opis betanam betupi.

    Diatu menteri kita Paramount Chief, tetap meri baja/subsidi laban ati ia endang manah, ka mansang ka kitai bangsa dayak.

    Arap ka kita ngentak ka bendera BN leboh orang perintah datai. Maioh agi pemansang olih kita ari sida ia.

    Nya aja kaban.

  20. Equaliser on November 12th, 2009 5:55 pm

    Dear Dr. John,

    I wish I can play the role of an equaliser between DL and DB. It appears to me, as one of you had said, you had been discussing the subject for a long time and therefore well-versed in the subject and I am new and not well-versed with the subject. It is true. 100% true.

    But going at each other throats is, in my opinion, getting you two nowhere, in helping the dayaks.

    Fight you MUST. Fight you CAN. BUT fight in a productve way. I know you know what I mean.

    You are intelligent and knowledgeable. You even have technical knowledge on managing a oil palm plantation or how a company should be managed. Accounts MUST be properly kept and managed and the monies spent on the right thing and not on the wrong thing. The land-owners, DB claimed, are more important than buildings. And so on.

    I also learned from what you said, you have put up proposals after proposals and nothing seemed to work as far as the change on the new concept on developing NCR lands is concerned, from DB’s point of view.

    DL said DB just talked and did not give evidence or proof DB could produce and help the dayaks.

    Why not both sides start collecting facts and figures and present the facts and figures on this blog and argue from there.

    One point I like to point out is:

    “There is not enough persistent efforts and publicity prepared by DB to qualify and prove their proposals had been put forward but were not heard.

    It had not attracted my attention at all, therefore it is non-effective in its propaganda.”

    If DB wants to be heard, he must make himself heard.

    For DL, you need to be convincing with facts and figures to silent your opponent and keep the public well-informed. As it is, I am not impressed at all of the facts and figures presented.

    Good luck to you both. Fight a good fight. Let the better man win.

    Thank you, Dr. John.

  21. PE on November 12th, 2009 7:03 pm

    Nyamai asai nuan Changop dikumbai CI ‘ BASTARD’. You deserved to be called as such-BASTARD…Good for you.

  22. Pala Tekura on November 12th, 2009 8:45 pm

    Anderson Melintang on November 12th, 2009 7:43 am

    I reply to your comment and you blame all DB because we raise up something against the government. It seems like you shooting something in the bush.

    You say :

    If you never have an experience to swing a parang bangkok, duku or changkul, then you will know how hard is a life to be a farmer in longhouse.

    You are just blogging, with your head hardened like recalcitrant, turn anything into a negative mode. Are this type of dayakbaru you are producing in the future. If so, the dayak will be forever behind other race.

    My answer :

    For you information, i am a farmer. Very successful farmer without help of the BN government. I have my own oil palm plantation in my village and for you to know, i am the first farmer that plant palm oil in my village and the others villagers keep on voting BN and hope to get something free from the BN goverment.

    You say :

    Just go back to your longhouse backward (ujung bilik), there are jungle2 of unproductive vegetation, and yet no effort have been done to turn it vegetable plot of rubber tree plantation. DB what are going to suggest for this type of scenario.

    My answer :

    First time when i tried to plant my own palm oil, i decided to get help from the Agrobank to fund my farm, but i’m disappointed when i’m told that i’m not eligible get the loan because i have to give something as a collateral because may NCR land didn’t have any title from the government. So, i have to sold my other land to get the fund that worth RM 20000 that is about 13 hectare. With that amount of money, i bought palm seedling and paid the excavator to plough my land.

    You said :

    Are just still poisoning their mind by saying “BE HOLD TO NCR LAND UNTIL IT DEVELOP INTO JUNGLES OF STUPID MONKEY.”…

    Please DB print your brochure, plan and distribute to longhouse people indicate that the “BN WAY OF DEVELOPING NCR LAND WILL BRING DAYAK TO BETTER ECONOMY”.

    My answer :

    It is very worthfull if dayak can develop their owns land. My income now after 6 years is about 14*** monthly. After paid for my workers, fertilizer etc:- , i can get about 7*** to 9*** monthly. We cannot say it is wrong because we didn’t tried it. If BN plan is through JV why not dayak plant their palm oil themself and BN gov just supplies palm oil seedling and free excavatior servises to plough their land as a subsidized. It is like what chinese philosopher said ” Give one a fish, she/he can eats it a day, but if you give him/her a fishing rod, he can use it for a whole life to fishing”.

  23. Cikgu Iban on November 12th, 2009 9:18 pm

    “Ba penemu aku, pemansang kitai iban berpanggai amat ba tanah NCR. Enti nadai utai di kerja ba tanah, se-agi agi kitai nadai maju.”
    ………………………………………….

    Unggal Temawai Lama,

    Kati ulih dek berati ke enggau naka pemanah utai ti disebut diatasnya?.

    Nama reti leka jako pemansang ba runding dek?. Bansa sapa ti ko dek nya?. Bansa Iban ukai?.

    Nama reti jako “bepanggai”?. Berapa amat pengidup kitai Iban bepanggai ba tanah?.

    Tanah nama nya tadi state lands tauka tanah NCR?.

    Kati ko dek? Nama NCR lands nadai dikerja, nadai maju bansa kitai pia?.

    Nama dek ngasoh masang bendera BN, nagsoh sida majak ngambi tanah NCR kitai pia?. Gaya ni ke jalai kitai Iban deka lebih maju deh?.

    Ini macam susahla mau cakap Temawai Lama… manyak mahasa kulang magus mau keluar…

    Cheers….

  24. dayaklama on November 12th, 2009 11:53 pm

    Cikgu Iban,

    Let make it clear here, all land in Sarawak belong to the state Gomen. Even the land where your house is on now is still belong to the Gomen.
    Dayaks/Iban cannot claim the land belong to them just because they are among the early settlers and has been using the land for their cultivation.This is not the excuse that they can own the land.
    Before the arrival of Brooke family the land of Sarawak is belong to the Sultan of Brunei. Brooke bought over the land from the Sultan of Brunei and installed himself the Rajah and own the land, meaning the land belong to the gomen of the Rajah and then after the 2nd world war the land was own by British colony and subsequently turn over to the Sarawak state gomen after the formation of Malaysia.
    If you look at the above chronicle the land was handed from gomen to gomen hand and never been given to any natives. So no single natives has the right to claim the land is theirs because history never say so.
    If you study carefully the chinese are also among the early settlers or much more earlier than the Dayaks base on the fact that the Dayaks pigtail are an imitation from the ancient chinese. Why the chinese never own the NCR?

  25. Langgai Tinggang on November 13th, 2009 2:08 am

    dayaklama on November 12th, 2009 11:53

    You said:
    Let make it clear here, all land in Sarawak belong to the state Gomen. Even the land where your house is on now is still belong to the Gomen.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Fuck your BN gomen!!!! Semina nemu ngempu @ nipu tanah buah orang!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. Cikgu Iban on November 13th, 2009 5:59 am

    Onggal Dayaklama

    Thanks, Unggal.

    Your explanation is quite repetitive. You have mentioned several times. And I have understood it.

    Unggal,
    If I may ask you, please explain the New concept of development to us as I feel many might not know in details.

    I really want to tell my folks about it. Explain in Iban language as I want to print ang photocopy it for their reading pleasure.

    Cheers…

  27. Suntat on November 13th, 2009 6:46 am

    dayaklama,

    It is your own imagination. It is all nonsense. Your comments reflect your mentality.

  28. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 7:09 am

    Unggal dayaklama,

    I already translated your explanation to an iban language and print it so i can tell my longhouse people that their land is not belong to them. Thanks dalaklama for your info.

  29. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 7:09 am

    I would prefer the gomen to encourage smallholding of the OP scheme like the getah kawin in the past rather than lumpsum and give it to just one Antu Raya. Bam amat antu nya! All the owners of the NCR should be encouraged to develop their own plantations whereby giving subsidies/loans for those who need it. The poor NCR owners may joint-venture with the richer ones. By doing this, the gomen will still benefit from the sale of the OP fruit through tax from fruit, fertilizers, machineries, etc. The richer NCR owners, opportunist entrepreneurs, kaban makai kaban type of people can provide support to transport of fruit, fertilizer, clearing, nursery, etc, but they have to compete for the best result.

  30. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 7:33 am

    Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 7:09 am

    I would prefer the gomen to encourage smallholding of the OP scheme like the getah kawin in the past rather than lumpsum and give it to just one Antu Raya. Bam amat antu nya! All the owners of the NCR should be encouraged to develop their own plantations whereby giving subsidies/loans for those who need it. The poor NCR owners may joint-venture with the richer ones. By doing this, the gomen will still benefit from the sale of the OP fruit through tax from fruit, fertilizers, machineries, etc. The richer NCR owners, opportunist entrepreneurs, kaban makai kaban type of people can provide support to transport of fruit, fertilizer, clearing, nursery, etc, but they have to compete for the best result.
    ———————————————–

    I really support this types of JV suggest by manang empangau. By this way, NCR owner can work more harder to get the best result. Apart from that, it’s not only the OP owner get the benefit. Gov also get the benefit through taxes paying by OP owner. It is very difficult to do here because this types of JV will produce many Dayak millionaire.

  31. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 8:03 am

    Amat endar nya Pala ‘Joi’. Ke dipeda aku, sida iban ke hajin nanam sawit amat senang bulih duit ari nyual sawit. Bisi sida nya ke bisi nanam bepuluh ikar, sida terima duit nyau mai guni sum kena ngandut duit maya pulai nyual sawit. Enti maya makai ba resturan, nyau bekapar pala sida undang galah, sida lobster, tulang ikan empurau ba atas mija. Sigi amat jilis urang meda sida dayak ke hajin nya. Nya alai, sida dayak bukai pen mesti ka hajin ga. Anang semina ka makai tinduk, semina duduk berimbai, munyi ku lagu RichMan Ali Maksidi. Nadai utai ulih enti semina duduk berimbai. JARI MESTI GAGAKA MANCHAL AGI GA JANG. Nya baru anak apai.

  32. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 9:59 am

    Ba penemu aku, kitai dayak sigi bisi tanah ka besai. Tang ketegal kitai nadai ulih ngemansang ka tanah laban ka nadai modal. Semina orang ka bisi modal baka unggal JJ ka kala kerja offshore enggau bekaban enggau bala opis pertanian ka ulih muka tanah. Baka kami tuk terpaksalah bejual ka tanah kena begiga ka modal.

  33. MERAMAT TAJAK on November 13th, 2009 10:44 am

    Pala Tekura;

    Good to hear the success story with your oilpalm venture. Suggest to write in Tinting Tinjau for the benefit of other Dayak.

    Did it cost you only RM 20K to develop a 13 hectare plot, inclusive of the cost of the excavator rental ?

  34. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 12:30 pm

    MERAMAT TAJAK on November 13th, 2009 10:44 am

    Pala Tekura;

    Good to hear the success story with your oilpalm venture. Suggest to write in Tinting Tinjau for the benefit of other Dayak.

    Did it cost you only RM 20K to develop a 13 hectare plot, inclusive of the cost of the excavator rental ?
    —————————-

    The cost is about Rm 20,000 inclusive of excavator rental. I bought the palm oil seedling about Rm 4200 that is rm 2.80 per seed. And please be careful during the planting process because not all the seedling will grow.My budget for the excavator rental is about Rm 12000 . One of my friend (Jaong Area) that plants 1600 (tree)of palm oil, the profit he get for last year is about Rm 20,000 per month. It was the mature palm oil, about eight to nine years old. I’m very lucky because my land is near the main road. Maybe the budget is more expansive if the land is far away from the main road. I will take some pictures and write to your magazine soon. Now i aim very busy handling JV (not iban land with companay) our dayak land in Saratok area.

  35. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 1:02 pm

    This afternoon i will sign an agreement with one of our iban Samaritan in Kabong area. He wants me to develop his land and we agreed to divided the profit 70:30. All the cost will paid by me. Start from excavator fee, seedling, workers and fertilizer. The agreement is only about 12 years. After 12 years, the palm oil is really mature and produce a lot of CPO and the land will be fully given back to the owner. Then, the owner can continue taking care of his own oil palm estate without my help. In my experience 6 years of planting oil palm (maybe some of you have more experiences)i will get back my capital in five years to come or more. But i’m really thankful to god because until now i haven’t any problem with my debt. I already have my own excavator, lorry and 2 tractor.

  36. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 1:24 pm

    I like that idea, Igat Pala Tekura. Without any terracing, it could be much cheaper except one has to pay for the access road.

  37. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 1:37 pm

    Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 1:24 pm

    I like that idea, Igat Pala Tekura. Without any terracing, it could be much cheaper except one has to pay for the access road.
    ——————————

    sigi amat utai nya unggal. Aku mega bisi experience, diasuh orang ngemasang ka tanah sida ukainya semina betanam ka kelapa sawit. Sida mega cuba betanam ka mangga, pisang etc ngena cara beladang(besai), tang bisi mega kitai dayak kelebih agi bansa kitai iban ka kelalu kepapas laban ka enggai meri jalai. Cuba pikir enti jalai datai lalu tama tisi kebun sida, berapa penyamai sida bebai ka asil kebun ka pasar. Taja pan aku cuba ngaga parit enggau ngaga ban free ka sida ia.

  38. Aya Bujang Tuai on November 13th, 2009 1:51 pm

    Pala Tekura, 13th November, 2009,1.02pm
    I appreciate you ungal, thats what I want to hear in this blog, someone who has the experience and exposer to generate us, sharing his unselfish views and sucess toward the improvement of our whole population. No matter from what political party he is from.

    I want to follow your footstep but I have no experience in palm oil. I planted jetropha trees but then it is hard to sell if only a few kilos not like palm oil.
    I hope Ungal pala tekura can share with me or make JV. Contact me through email.

    I hope that the ‘Kosep Baru’ NCR land development won’t clear our palms unreasonably.

    We should oppose what is wrong and support what is right.

  39. Cikgu Iban on November 13th, 2009 1:54 pm

    Unggal PT,

    This is exactly what we want to hear. Now do you fancy asking DL,JJ,Changop4D, June and others to develop the lands according to their terms?.

    And this is exactly how DBs prefer the Iban develop their NCR lands.

    Cheers….

  40. Pala Tekura on November 13th, 2009 2:00 pm

    Aya Bujang Tuai on November 13th, 2009 1:51 pm I

    want to follow your footstep but I have no experience in palm oil. I planted jetropha trees but then it is hard to sell if only a few kilos not like palm oil.

    I hope Ungal pala tekura can share with me or make JV. Contact me through email.
    ———————————

    Ok. This is the e-mail d.devil16@yahoo.com (my son e-mail). I want to give my h/p but my son say cannot because it is wrong under the multimedia regulation.

  41. Aya Bujang Tuai on November 13th, 2009 2:21 pm

    Thank you, Ungal PT, so nice of you, I try to contact you soon.

  42. John Jamban on November 13th, 2009 2:24 pm

    Tabi Kaban Db,,,

    Nama kebuah ka enggau orang bersawit???. Dini bisi endor belaban ke penemu blogging enti semua kitanya udah ba madang kelapa sawit. Di ladang nadai servis broadband, tusah kitai betemu.

    Pengidup kitai blogger patut tinggi ari sida peneroka sawit. Kitai patut relax, enjoy aja, baka main golf, udahnya enti menteri bisi di peda ba golf club, olih ga kitai berandau ka business oppurnity. Tambah agi kitai olih adjourned ngagai Swk Club for happy hours.

    Tu meh gaya pengidup kami dayak lama.

    Nya aja kaban.

  43. MJC on November 13th, 2009 2:34 pm

    JJ,

    Just curious why CI@LT continue shaving his lie infested pubic hair and dump it in this blog.

  44. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 2:46 pm

    Enti kena hole in one ba padang golf, bisi ari ga bulih perais ke manah. Ba peda mata aku, urang ke main golf enggau beladang sawit sama sebaka. Semua sida nya tentu deka bejembi ba baroh matari, nyau chelum baka tambi anak gamal. Ke suah agi nya sida iya ngipakka nama golf ga – golf = golong orang lupa famili. Tang sida ke beladang sawit, angka bisi manah mimit ga ari sida ke malu bol mit nya. Angka kurang agi bejembi ari sida ke main golf.

    Ba penemu aku siku, umur aku pen nyau udah tuai. Kapa aku ka beladang sawit tauka enggau urang malu bol ke mit ngena pemalu ke mit nya. Nama utai ke deka dienjoi enti gamal nyau udah bekeriut pot don. Duit pensin aku pen chukup kena aku ngirup kopi-o ba kedai A1 ba BDC Stampin dia tiap pagi walaupun nyau sekitil kopi danjongka bini toke laban ke deka nyeling bini apek ke ngaga mi kampua nya. Enti leboh aku ngudar mi kampua, apek sigi enda nyagi bini iya nganjong mi ke mija aku tang apek empu ga ke nganjong. Hah! jilis amat apek nya enggau aku neh! Nyau nadai mood ga aku ka makai mi nya, nyau enda nyamai. Semadi meh nyau nyeling bini apek nya belama, nya baru enda berasai ga mi ambis dempa, disirot ari pun sampai ujong nadai ngetu. Ah..geram meda apek ke bebini biak nya neh!

    Mayuh duit pen enda meh mayuh guna ba aku. Kitai ke nyau tuai deka enjoi nama deh. Semina siok sendiri. Duit kelalu mayuh ba bank tang enti parai kitai enda nemu bakani kati ku anak uchu ngena iya. Peda duit Aya Jang Tahir menya. Sida ke indu semina deka nginsap duit kitai aja ga. Bisi kedua kitai ke udah tuai, mentua nyau biak agi ari menantu ga tang utai ke danjong agai anak mentua endang enda tentu jegar agi ga.

    mupuk aku deka belian ke uchu Empangau.

  45. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 2:56 pm

    Bala sida Igat Dayaklama sigi rindu agi enjoi ba Sarawak Club dia ukai deka malu bol ke mit dia tang deka ngirup bir sampai ke palau mimit. Nya baru jelan iya pengidup, Igat. Duit ke udah ulih nya mesti diguna kena ngemuaska julok ati, kena ngemuaska diri makai utai nyamai, merap sida endun ke biak bajik lis kulit, pepelu kuyu kena sium, kena jepot. Ila kitai enti udah tuai, nyau ka parai, sema jaku, telanjai pen indu ke bajik ba mua tua, enda meh kaban tua nya angkat deka ngelaban agi deh. Enda pia ku dek deh Igat DL? Aram tua ngepab kada tulang tua agi kering diatu.

  46. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 3:03 pm

    Correction:

    ……..Sida ke indu semina deka nginsap duit kitai aja ga. Bisi kedua kitai ke udah tuai, MENANTU nyau TUAI agi ari MENTUA ga tang utai ke danjong agai anak mentua endang enda tentu jegar agi ga………

  47. changop4540 on November 13th, 2009 9:14 pm

    Unggal Pala Tekura,

    “Aku mega bisi experience, diasuh orang ngemasang ka tanah sida ukainya semina betanam ka kelapa sawit. Sida mega cuba betanam ka mangga, pisang etc ngena cara beladang(besai), tang bisi mega kitai dayak kelebih agi bansa kitai iban ka kelalu kepapas laban ka enggai meri jalai. Cuba pikir enti jalai datai lalu tama tisi kebun sida, berapa penyamai sida bebai ka asil kebun ka pasar. Taja pan aku cuba ngaga parit enggau ngaga ban free ka sida ia”

    Nyah peda nuan statement jako unggal tu DB? Ukai perintah enggai ngaga jalai tang orang empu tanah enggai bekerjasama. Bakani gaya enggau tu deh, gaga ke jambatan flyover meraka tanah sida tu? Bakani tiang deh, ukainya olih digantung ke langit kin deh.
    Tu utai ko kami, anang besalah ke perintah BN laban perintah sigi ka ngaga tang orang bempu tanah enggai, enti nyau majak nyungkur legi kumbai kita ka ngambi tanah ga.

    Bakani olih nuan Cikgu Iban madah ngagai sida empu tanah tu nyuruh sida ia meri tanah mimit awak ka kaban unggal Pala Penyu tu olih ngangkut baja enggau utai bukai ngagai kebun sida. Baka bulldozer perintah tu enda olih tak nganti lama laban maioh agi utai ka dikerja, baka nyungkur tanah alai betanam ka sawit ba endor bukai.

  48. Manang Empangau on November 13th, 2009 9:30 pm

    Apooo enti baka nya, sigi udu balat kepapas ke pangan diri ga kitai Iban tu neh Igat Changop!Penemu ke baka nya meh ke ngasoh kitai Iban tusah deka dikemansangka perintah tauka bala think-tank ari raban DB tu.

    Bisi sida Iban ke bingking agi a menua aku enda nyagi tanah diri kena tengah jalai ke rumah panjai dulu din. Nya alai sida kontraktor nyau tepaksa ga nyungkor jalai melit jauh ngelaongka tanah Aya Kepapas nya. Nah! Diatu sapa ke rugi enti enda iya. Deka muka ladang sawit, iya tepaksa nyungkorka diri. Uji enti jalai nengah tanah iya, sigi nyamai iya mai paong enggau sum sawit.

  49. Langgai Tinggang on November 13th, 2009 10:22 pm

    John Jamban on November 13th, 2009 2:24 pm
    You said:
    Nama kebuah ka enggau orang bersawit???. Dini bisi endor belaban ke penemu blogging enti semua kitanya udah ba madang kelapa sawit. Di ladang nadai servis broadband, tusah kitai betemu.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My comment:
    F**k your hen’s ass!! BN will be DOOM!!!!!
    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    Pengidup kitai blogger patut tinggi ari sida peneroka sawit. Kitai patut relax, enjoy aja, baka main golf, udahnya enti menteri bisi di peda ba golf club, olih ga kitai berandau ka business oppurnity. Tambah agi kitai olih adjourned ngagai Swk Club for happy hours.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My comment:
    BULLSHIT !!!!!!! You Dayaklama DON’T have any new ideas ????????????????????????????????????????????

    Patut ga kita nya NILAT pelir enggau butuh urang !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Tu meh gaya pengidup kami dayak lama.

  50. Langgai Tinggang on November 13th, 2009 10:31 pm

    MJC on November 13th, 2009 2:34 pm
    You said:
    JJ,
    Just curious why CI@LT continue shaving his lie infested pubic hair and dump it in this blog.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My response:
    Shaving pubic hair is my business. For you, it FREE of CHARGE, Kaban perut ikan, menyadi perut JANI!!!!!!!!!

    ANY MEMBERS OF DAYAKLAMA ESPECIALLY MJC CAN appraoch me to SHAVE THEIR incompetence penises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Enti nuan ka ngetak utai nuan unggal, taja pan aku nadai kala bedengah, tau meh dikena nyayat utai nuan.

  51. Kerani Opis Tanah on November 14th, 2009 12:41 am

    Langgai Tinggang is making a very generous offer which is too hard to resist.

    Special Offer till end of this month:
    ANY MEMBERS OF DAYAKLAMA ESPECIALLY MJC CAN appraoch me to SHAVE THEIR incompetence penises!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Enti nuan ka ngetak utai nuan unggal, taja pan aku nadai kala bedengah, tau meh dikena nyayat utai nuan.

    The question here is what type of “Penyayat” he is going to use to cut one manhood?

    Well anybody want to take the offer, either party DL or DB? How about you Equaliser?

    Anybody?

  52. PE on November 14th, 2009 1:01 am

    KOT, Enti enggi nuah ditetak, tau ga bini nuan nginjau aku, MR PAPUNG ENGKILU. Guarantee satisfaction…Enggai nyadi ga nuan ngachok ke tunjok nuan kedalam KOT. Tell her i am available anytime.

  53. June on November 14th, 2009 10:49 am

    June on November 13th, 2009 10:36 am Uchak CI @ Langgai Tinggang,

    I really don’t know what had becoming of you. First PE confirmed that both of you is conning Lebi Impin over a land deal. You received introduction fees but you denied.

    Secondly you refused DNA test on the Penan raped incident.If indeed you were not involved why must you be afraid and spending sleepless night blogging?
    ______________________________________________

    I have to re-post the above as neither PE nor CI @ LT cared to response. If they failed to do so (response) within the next 24 hours We take it to mean they admitted their guilt and were involved in the above crimes/scandal.

  54. Cikgu Iban on November 14th, 2009 12:04 pm

    Cikgu Iban on November 12th, 2009 3:52 pm June,

    Please stop your nonsense now….

    Go and fcuk off…

  55. august on November 14th, 2009 3:50 pm

    I am a non-Iban Dayak and I am getting fed up with foul language here.It interest me to read DB.Perhaps I should resist commenting but remain a reader.
    Cheers…

  56. PE on November 14th, 2009 6:24 pm

    June, why and what the fcuk you keep accusing me of getting commision from Lebi Impin. I do not even know what you are talking about. I earn my living by honestly working from dawn to darkness, 7 days a week. I do not cheat people, do not sell my peoples’NCR land, not begging from government for subsistance, businesses or commision.

    Bloody June, you want to know who i am and i can give my number- you fcuking bastard keep on accusing someone. Chibai punya orang ka china.

  57. PE on November 14th, 2009 6:37 pm

    June, nyangka nuan ngasai kediri bejual ke bansa bejual ke tanah bansa bejual ke bini anak nya kebuah nuan ngumbai orang betipu ke orang. Nyangka nuan tu siko ari bansa iban ke begiga ke orang meli tanah NCR bansa iban ngambi ke bulih duit komission ke mimit. Nyangka enti nuan enda bejual ke bansa nuan tu nadai pengidup enda tetupi ke bini anak. Aku pan nemu meh enti naka bejual ke reta bansa TANG aku ukai mensia ke bakanya. Tak madah ngagai nuan munyi, nyau abis dunya tu udah dikeliling aku alai aku bekuli begiga ke duit dikena aku ngidup ke diri empu enggau dikena aku nyengula ke bala anaqk. Sesin aku nadai minta tulong ari perintah nyengula ke sida taja pan bala anak aku bisi bulih scholarship ari kompeni baka SHELL enggau PETRONAS. Sida ke bulih scholarship tu based on MERITS.

    Nya meh bala kita ke ngumbai diri DL rauh rauh muji perintah BN ke munoh bansa nuan ke ngemedis bansa nuan laban enti enda pia kita nyangka nadai pengidup. Diatu kutap kutap besalah ke kami ke besebut bekenag ke PENYAI BN ngagai bansa nuan enggau aku. Kita tu nyangka nadai leka mata dikena meda. PUI PUI…

  58. Cikgu Iban on November 14th, 2009 6:52 pm

    Bakani olih nuan Cikgu Iban madah ngagai sida empu tanah tu nyuruh sida ia meri tanah mimit awak ka kaban unggal Pala Penyu tu olih ngangkut baja enggau utai bukai ngagai kebun sida.

    ………………………………………….

    Unggal Changop4D,

    Olih ku madah ke uyao ke mit baka nya, nadai hal. Tang sebdau nya aku ngasoh dek madah ngagai YDK ngasoh iya ngaga ke land title ke sida tu. Ukai naka nya ga, enti oilh asaoh dek YDK tu ngaga land titles ke semua holders of NCR lands ke bisi pemesai 1.2M hectares.

    Udah utai tu tembu, baru kitai berandau baru nulong inggal Pala Tekura.

    Nambah ke nya mega dek di asoh aku ngajar bala kitai Iban anang kelalu ngasoh kepapas ke pangan diri, lebih lebih agi enti kaban nya bansa Iban. Kabuah pia, emggal laban kitai Iban kelalu jauh endar tinggal pemansang bebanding enggau bansa bukai. maioh dah chunto diberi kitai ditu. Nya alai enda iboh kitai belunjak ke utai nya. Aku pan nyau getting bored talking about the same old thing and receiving the same replies although worded differently.

    Cheers…

  59. June on November 14th, 2009 6:57 pm

    Daniel Gerinang gave us your file and your business deal in Brunei together with the counterfoil of bus ticket and also invoice for the purchase on heavy machinery (and other false documents). Brunei Haji is looking for you, can you give us your phone number?

  60. June on November 14th, 2009 7:14 pm

    PE,

    Daniel Gerinang gave me your file and details of your business dealing in Brunei together with the counterfoil of bus ticket and also invoice for the purchased on heavy machinery there(and other false documents). Haji Salam from Brunei is looking for you. Can you give us your phone number?

  61. Langgai Tinggang on November 14th, 2009 7:31 pm

    ?June on November 14th, 2009 10:49 am

    You said:
    June on November 13th, 2009 10:36 am Uchak CI @ Langgai Tinggang,

    I really don’t know what had becoming of you. First PE confirmed that both of you is conning Lebi Impin over a land deal. You received introduction fees but you denied.
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My comment:
    Untak bebal !!!!!!! Uji nuan macha postings kami ti dulu ari tu!!!!!!!

    Read between the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    —————————————————————————————————-
    You said:
    Secondly you refused DNA test on the Penan raped incident.If indeed you were not involved why must you be afraid and spending sleepless night blogging?
    —————————————————————————————————-
    My comment:
    Again as I’ve mentioned earlier, we want your YDK, Dayaklama and the gang to have the DNA test.

    I can predict that you all not only involved in these rape cases BUT also involved in RAPING SARAWAK’S RESOURCES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ask SPRM @ MACC to check their bank accounts!!!!!

  62. PE on November 15th, 2009 2:15 pm

    June, what are talking about? You can get my no from DJB.

    Where are you? I can cme to meet you anywhere.

  63. PE on November 15th, 2009 7:00 pm

    June, what files are you talking about in Brunei . If you know about it then you must be doing the con job with mendiang together. You being involved but you twist the fact on people who knew nut about it.

    Before you accuse me of getting commision from a land deal. I wonder what is your next accusation on the people you do not know. Amat bansat iban nuan tu, enti nuan nya iban.

    By the way who is Hj Salam? Your con victim??

  64. PE on November 15th, 2009 7:04 pm

    Since you ask for my number, it is 0135674777. I will be a coward if i fail to disclose anything you request.

    I will take it from here , until you call me.

  65. Manang Empangau on November 15th, 2009 7:39 pm

    Amat anak lelaki nuan tu Igat. Enda nemu surut ke utai, ke antu, ke nama meh. I hope everyting is settle after the confrontation.

  66. Cikgu Iban on November 15th, 2009 8:06 pm

    Pia meh Unggal PE,

    Nama June tu tak balat amat minta chabar dek?. Nadai kabuah bukai JUNe tu munyi ko bala kitai suah nyebut ditu; KEPAPAS!!. It typical Iban mentality.

    Cheers…

  67. Ugly msian on November 15th, 2009 9:46 pm

    June,
    Your balls are at your feet.Time wasting is an offence so what say you to response to the challenge above?

  68. Langgai Tinggang on November 15th, 2009 11:46 pm

    June,

    Taja pan aku tu nadai kala bedengah,ngetak utai nuan ka aku tu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ngetak utai YDK kita nya ka meh!!!!!! Enti enda ulih ketak, ngena C4 unggal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you think your YDK is vunerable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    F**k your YDK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The pirate of Sarawak !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  69. PE on November 16th, 2009 1:37 am

    Nuan nya June enti tua betemu nuan nya meh DIBINSAI ke aku. Aku enda ngira nuan sapa. Makai tau sebarang tang jako enggai nyadi sebarang. Seriously i am waiting for your call and perhap meetup with you to find out more details from you.

  70. Manang Empangau on November 16th, 2009 7:36 am

    Akai dai, kesal amat ati kena chabar Igat PE nya. Bisi ari Igat June mai bouncer.

  71. Manang Empangau on November 16th, 2009 11:23 am

    Igat Pala Tekura,

    I salute you for being so daring to venture into OP business alone without any physical help from BN or DB. This is the type of mentality (daring to walk a step ahead following the steps of antu raya) we are looking for for the Ibans and other dayaks to emulate. For a person to live in a longhouse, earning 7 to 9 thousands a month is really wealthy. I envy you and I would try to have such scheme myself in near future. Ulih ngirup ai kemi rimau tiap ari, neh?

    There’s lots of good advice in this blog. Discard those advice which one feels are dirty advice ha ha ha ha….Anang tak enda lembau deka ngedar ke buah lengan agai kaban nyepi diri alah uti.

  72. PE on November 16th, 2009 2:49 pm

    Akih Manang Empangau, uti tau sebarang uti, makai tau sebarang empa, tang jako bula jako tenah besebut ke utai ke nadai utai ke tak enda temu pun temu ujong sigi tau ngash pedis ati lalu tau mega ngasoh ngedar ke lengan.

  73. Manang Empangau on November 16th, 2009 2:59 pm

    Amat endar nya Igat PE. Aku nemu Igat June nya semian bejaku nudoh sebarang. Sigi jelan iya tau dichakap ga iya nya. Enggi aku menya maya darah agi angat, sigi enda tau ninga rangas patah. Sigi lengan nya meh aku kedarka, surong ke agai idung kaban.

    Hmmmm…aku enda tentu nemu ngubat ati ke pedis enti nyau baka uti Igat June nya. Nguji ka belian ngapa meh aku tu. Nadai tentu bisi nyenggala ga penyalah nuan nya ditengau enggau batu ilau aku.

    Cheers.

  74. Manang Empangau on November 22nd, 2009 6:37 am

    If there is ever any intellectual ibans/dayaks involved in the planning for the people, they must not plan in an opportunistic manner in such a way that they try to develop a quick-rich scheme, grabbing the people’e territories anyhow with liitle being shae with them. Big giants must not be brought into the picture coz these giant consume a lot and left little for the small fries. The antu raya like to eat salai ikan caught by the animals with tuba fishing. In the end,their friend Mr Tortoise and Mousedeer would be the last to save them frm the greedy antu raya.

  75. Kasih Menoa on December 6th, 2009 11:22 pm

    Coment by Anderson Melintang is uncalled for. I think he is a stupid Dayak.. or is he a Dayak Iban? For all I suspect he is a chinese tawkey the very person the BN government is using to steal our NCR Land. If you are Iban Please do not blame Dayak Baru. Why dont you suggest what to do instead. Or may be Anderson Melintang family has no NCR land at all. That is why he do not care. In fact there are many ways to go about it. For instance the concept of contract farming where individual land owners can plant oilpalm with input from the oilpalm companies and the companies buy the oilpalm fruits from the NCR land owners minus the inputs borrowed by the land owner. There are many more ways.. BUT I can tell you that the BN Government will not listen..worst the very Iban leaders like Jabu, Masing, Mawan etc.etc. whom we hope to help us defend our traditional NCR will be the first to condemn you..they will call you anti-development and so on and on. The only way out for the Dayak is to vote the present Government out during the next election.

  76. Apai Jalong on March 12th, 2010 4:51 pm

    Lately, two assistants minister and the local YBs Lubok Antu and Engkilili visited Rh. Dimbab Serubah try to convince people from Lemanak area to particpate in the JV -new concept of Land development program which BN government advocated now. From what was transpired during the dialogue the NCR land will be leased out to the company for 60 years for rubber mini-estate. The land owner will be paid as a rental fees for about RM135.00/year per acre which is equivalent to RM 11.25 cent/month. Each farm family may have atmost is 10 acres land size, ie is to say they receive Rm 135.00×10 = RM 1,350.00/year. One month they only receive RM1,350.00/12 = RM112.50. can any one imagine can a fmily of five survive with this amount RM112.50 /month which is very much below the povert level?. Is it the way BN government help the people? . I can tell you the people of Lemanak might be poor but not all are stupid. From that simple calculation we know that is not a profitable business. Please stop promote that new concept JV Land development on our NCR. land. we don`t want to lose our NCR land to BN. government.

    mupok aku.

  77. Akiq Hawong@M. Empangau on March 12th, 2010 5:09 pm

    Igat Kasih Menoa,

    Anang bangat udu ga dek ka nganu Igat Anderson Melintang Pukang nya. Sigi amat jaku iya. Iya ukai mensia ke ka dikumbai dek stupid. Pama amat urang ka benama Anderson M. nya. Urang ke pemandai baka iya sigi nyau enda kehing miau ke dulu penebas, numbuk buah sawit tang iya landik miau ke pen ba atas keretas enggau natok keyboard komputa. Enti kitai sigi pinta, kitai sigi enda beguna ke tanah ke besai kena ngulihka duit. Semina ngena untak enggau pen aja, duit pen masuk bank.

    Sida Jabu seduai Jemot nya sigi ukai chalang chalang mensia, anak iban. Endang kah iban ga seduai nya termasuk Igat A.M. nya. Nadai mayuh urang ke tinggi pelajar baka sida nya. Asoh belajar ke tinngi agi, nadai meh digri ke tinggi ari ke udah ulih sida nya. Tang baka enggi YDK nya, aku enda ga kala ninga iya belajar ngambi PhDr nya ba U ngelamatu. Nadai kala ninga iya limpang ke U deka ngambi PhD iya nya. Angka ulih ba sadau china kini baka enggai Uban ga?

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