1MALAYSIA – IS “ALLAH” EXCLUSIVE TO ISLAM?

Written by gkm2020

The meaning of “Allah”

Allah – The one God, not a god, not exclusively Islamic, as the definition above fallaciously claims. Allah is the only God, the god of all three Abrahamic faiths. “Allah” is the Arabic word for “God”.

Islam is a monotheistic religion in which the supreme deity is Allah (God, the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews) and the chief prophet and founder is Mohammad. Followers of Islam are called Muslims.

If Islam is not an “extremist and racist religions” (or did not wish to be branded as promoter of “terrorism”) then it should believe in tolerance, perseverance, openness and respect for other religions and races.

I am pretty sure no one would like to see a “Christian Bomber” shorting the word “Allah is Great God”? Would you? Don’t we all want to believe in peace? Or are war, racist, extremism and hatred better than love, peace, harmony and stability?

“Allah” is an Arabic word for God

Used by Christian Arabs as well as Muslim and Jewish Arabs. Not exclusive to any religion in the same way that the English word “God” is not exclusively used by any religion.

The first sentence of the bible, Genesis 1:1 “First God made heaven & earth”. In the Arabic bible the same thing is mentioned with God replaced by its Arabic translation, Allah.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. He is the same god that Christians and Jews worship. Saying Muslims worship a different god named “Allah” is like saying Spanish-speaking people worship a different god named “Dios”, or that Germans worship a different god named “Gott”. In the beginning, Allah created the Heavens and the Earth.

Is “Allah” exclusive to Islam?

Senior Federal Counsel Datuk Kamaluddin Md Said: Submitting to the High Court on the Catholic Church’s application for judicial review over the prohibited use of the word “Allah” in Catholic weekly Herald. Kamaluddin reportedly submitted that “Allah” was exclusive to Islam as it was “a special name of the Muslim God”. (Source: Church cannot challenge ‘Allah’ ban, says govt counsel, Bernama as quoted in the Sun, 14 Dec 2009)

General Secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia, Rev Hermen Shastri: “Malay has borrowed from Arabic, just as it has from Sanskrit and Portuguese”. “We have maintained the community has the right to use the word [Allah]”. CNN reported that Malaysian authorities have seized over 20,000 Malay bibles in recent months because they refer to God as “Allah”. (Source: Bibles seized as Malaysia minorities fear fundamentalism, CNN, 29 Oct 2009).

Does Islam not believe in “Nabi Isa” (Tuhan Isa/Jesus/Yesus)? So should “Isa @Jesus”, “Mariam @Mary”, “Jacob @Yakop and “Ibrahim @Abraham” be exclusive to the Christians?

Is “Allah” exclusive to “Melayu Raya”?

Malay Muslim may be majority in West Malaysia ‘BUT NOT’ in Sabah and Sarawak. Most Sabahans and Sarawakians are Non-Muslim and majority is Christians.

In our country – 1Malaysia, if one refers to Allah or mentions “Kalimah Allah”, it will bring to one’s mind that it refers to the God for Muslims. “Kalimah Allah” is sacred to the Muslims and put at the highest position, and its sanctity must be protected.

The usage of “Kalimah Allah” as an interpretation of the word God may cause confusion, religious sensitivity and disharmony between the Muslims and the Christians. Is “Kalimah Allah” written in our Federal Constitutions?

Is “Kalimah Allah” a pattern right by the Malays or by the Arabs or by Allah @God? Are Arabs not mixed Muslim and Christian? Have we not read who are the apostles (nabi) of Allah @God in both the Bible and the Koran?

Have a good look at the 18/20 Points Agreement (terms and conditions) before Sabah and Sarawak joined the Federation of Malaya to form “MALAYSIA”, 16th September 1963.

Today Sarawak and Sabah feels that they have been sidelined and betrayed by the “Konsep Ketuanan Melayu Raya”.

By the way, which of this two religions come first? Is it Islam or Christianity? Now, who “cetak-rompak siapa”? And which of this two religion landed in Sabah and/or Sarawak first? Is the Brookes’ religion “Islam”?

Point 1: Religion (18/20 Points Agreement Sabah/Sarawak)

While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo/Sarawak, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo; and Sarawak too.

Politics in 1Malaysia is getting bad to worse and so is the religious belief, financial and economics issues. So what is next in 2010? Please don’t make Malaysia like Iran, Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, 1Malaysia is no “Taliban Country”.

1Malaysia is no Arabic Speaking Country

For us, the problem is we’re not an Arabic-speaking country. Therefore some people question why non-Muslims have to use this word when it is not really necessary.

People then make all sorts of speculations about ideology. But there’s no reason for the word to be banned from Christian worship. We’re quite happy if people use it.

It is the same mode to Non-Chinese learning to speak and understand Mandarin and an Iban/Dayak learning to speak Korean and/or Japanese. A Kadazan/Bajau learn to speak and understand Bahasa Malaysia or Bahasa Indonesia and/or Arabic or Hebrew?

Shouldn’t Arab be proud like the Chinese, Japanese and/or Korean? I wonder the Malays too when other races have to learn Bahasa Malaysia? Is Bahasa Malaysia written in Arabic?

Sensitive Statements:

Shah Alam Member of Parliament Khalid Samad:

Speaking to a Catholic church in Shah Alam on 27 March 2008; Khalid reassured the Christians in attendance they could continue to use the word “Allah” in their worship without fear of persecution. Khalid reportedly said that in all Arabic-speaking communities, “Allah” just means “God” therefore it was not “unique to Islam”.(Source: The day Catholics welcomed a man from PAS in Shah Alam, The Malaysian Insider).

Political scientist and historian Dr Farish A Noor writing on the restriction on the use of the word Allah:

“What is most striking to the outside observer like me — though rather banal for the Egyptians themselves is the fact that in all these celebrations ranging from Eid for the Muslims to Christmas for the Catholics and Copts, the word ‘Allah’ is used to denote that supreme and singular divinity, God. Catholics and Copts alike exclaim ‘Masha-allah’, ‘Wallahi’, ‘ya-Rabbi’, ‘Wallah-u allam’, and of course ‘Allahuakbar’ day in, day out, everywhere they go”.

“…the word ‘Allah’ predates the revelation to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and goes way back to the pre-Islamic era. Christians had been using the word long before there were any Muslims, in fact. Furthermore, the word is Arabic, and is thus common to all the peoples, cultures and societies where Arabic — in all its dialects — is spoken, and is understood by millions of Arabic speakers to mean God, and little else”.(Source: Monopoly on words, Daily Times Pakistan, 4 Jan 2008)

The word Allah appears in the Sikh holy book Guru Granth Sahib:

“The word Allah is not exclusive to any language or religion… It was used in Arabic, used before the advent of Islam, used everywhere where there is the Arab language. In Pakistan, in the Urdu language; in India, in the Punjabi language…Our Guru Granth Sahib is more than 500 years ago”.

“No restriction should be put in any way. We oppose it. Nobody should take it that we are against anyone — we are just showing how it affects our rights, how it affects us in our prayers, in the daily use of our language. It’s for our freedom of worship, that’s all”.

Malaysian Gurdwaras Council president V Harcharan Singh. Harcharan said that any restriction on the use of “Allah” to mean God would be unacceptable to Sikhs as it would affect their freedom of worship. (Source: Gurdwaras: It’s our constitutional right, Malaysiakini.tv, 15 Nov 2009)

Letter to New Straits Times by former Energy, Communications and Multimedia Minister Tan Sri Dr Leo Moggie:

“My parents and family members were baptized into the Catholic faith in 1947. As a six-year-old boy, I was taught to pray to ‘Allah Taala’. The Creed, the acclamation of faith in the Christian prayer, when rendered in Iban begins as follows: ‘Aku arap ke siko aja’ Allah Taala, Apai Ke besai Kuasa, Ke ngaga Seruga enggau dunia”.

“In my own immediate family, through inter-marriage, there are Muslims, Christians and Hindus. Once a year, at Gawai Dayak, we visit the family longhouse. When the prayer leader reads excerpts from the Iban translation of the Bible, the words ‘Allah Taala’ are an integral part of the prayers…There is no hint of confusion among the Muslim members of the family”. (Source: Allah part of Iban prayers, The Micah Mandate, 6 April 2009)

Is the “authorities” got that political motives?

They want to be seen as defenders of Islam to earn Muslim voters’ support for them to remain in power. They are making use of the word “Allah” for personal benefit. I pray that Muslims will not be deceived by the act.

“Allah” is being mentioned daily in Malaysia; on TV, radio, and many residential areas etc. and yet none of the Christians in this country seem to get confused and walk into a mosque thinking it is a church.

The Malaysian Government is basically telling the world the Malaysian Muslims are a stupid bunch of people. Well, I wonder who the stupid one here is.

Many Arab and African Muslims in Malaysia are laughing at the stupidity. At the end of the day, no one is giving Islam a bad name except the intelligence of our authorities.

Don’t Christians and Muslims have the same God based on religious history?

Indonesia can afford to practice liberalism due to its huge Muslim population. Actually, Indonesia’s success in respecting religious and ethnic diversity has a more complicated past, and certainly is a product of more complex interactions among state and non-state actors.

Why the Home Minister banning the use of the word “Allah” as illegal, null and void? Why not Syariah or Fatwa courts? Is this another BN Political Hidden Agenda – ‘Islamization’ 1Malaysia? By the way, is “Amen” aka “Amin” exclusive to Christianity?

Why such question never arise after Sabah and Sarawak achieving her independence in 46 years joining the “Federation of Malaya? Why now? Why not yesterday or before 16th September 1963?

Has this anything to do with “Ketuanan Melayu” and/or “Melayu Raya”? Is this another hidden politico agenda behind 1Malaysia concept? Are tolerance, perseverance, right of religious freedom/belief and Democratic rights do or really exist in 1Malaysia?

Or Is “Christianity” now a national security threats to the country (multiracial 1Malaysia) that KDN has to keep track and scrutinize “Christianity Development” in 1Malaysia?

Come on….not for the sake of BN politics the word “ALLAH” @God has to be sacrificed (lamb of God) just because of political interest. Is Malaysia not a democratic country? Votes goes to the rakyat and let them feel free to vote.

If BN Government is so good, so strong, so true, uphold transparency, enforce integrity and believe in “Government Transformation Program (GTP)” then why fears?

Is 1Malaysia Government truly believes in ensuring fairness and equality for all as stated in the Federal Constitution and uphold all the principles of the Rukun Negara? Just hope we won’t see another “lembu head” in the street again?

Conclusion

I pray to Allah-Taala in my time of need, sick, weak and feeling hopeless, and everyday-every times-everywhere.

For the Iban/Dayak; Aku besampi ngagai “Allah-Taala” apai kami ti pemadu bekuasa disyurga kudus meh nama nuan….. (we have been using the word of God “Allah-Taala” even before Sarawak joined the Federation of Malaya in 1963).

So; why thinking of changing the “Religious Enactment” in our Federal Constitutions again? Hope there’s no hidden politico, extremist, fanatic and racist motive within 1Malaysia concept?

By the way, where are our Dayak leaders and NGOs? Where are your voices? Are you not fear of Allah @God?

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217 Responses to “1MALAYSIA – IS “ALLAH” EXCLUSIVE TO ISLAM?”

Job on January 2nd, 2010 3:39 am

Allah is an Islamic definition of a deity that Muslims worship who has no relationship with the worshippers. Allah lays down principles, precepts, rules and regulations, which must be obeyed in order to qualify and earn a place in heaven. When a sinner sins, he/she does not hurt Allah.

Those who hold steadfast to the word of God through his Son, Jesus will know that God also known as YWH, Eloi, Elohim, Jehovah, Ancient of Days, Jesus, I AM, Adonai, Abba etc. is a covenant God, a God of relationship who strives to relate to those who call on Him and provides Salvation through His Son in order to obtain Eternal life. Sins hurt God. Jesus commanded his followers to baptize “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

John 4:22 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews

Those born again of the Spirit know who they worship.

The God of Islam and the God in Christianity are extremely different!
Job on January 2nd, 2010 3:42 am

“Allah” is being mentioned daily in Malaysia; on TV, radio, and many residential areas etc. and yet none of the Christians in this country seem to get confused and walk into a mosque thinking it is a church.

Perhaps they are afraid that Muslims may walk into a church thinking it is a mosque. A legitimate fear??!!
Pengayau on January 2nd, 2010 5:33 am

gkm2020,
You has very well expressed your opinion with FACT and FIGURE to further strengthen your BASIS of ARGUMENT..I strongly agree with you.But i felt so SAD,FRUSTRATED and PISS OFF when i saw TV3 News this evening.
1.How come they are allowed to give such statement?

2.Yes,they may have a right for their own views or perspective but they have GONE TOO FAR by CONDEMN CHRISTIANITY and to an extent that they are DARE ENOUGH to question the HOLY TRINITY?

3.They are saying that MUSLIMS as the MAJORITY in Malaysia and their RIGHT should be protected? There is non issue at all about their right of so called Ketuanan Melayu,Ketuanan Islam or whatever it is but the MAIN ISSUE here is the word ALLAH!!!

Ps:The rest can be read here http://pengayau.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/whats-in-a-name/#more-577
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 7:45 am

Allah is God in Arabic words. It’s universal words for Allah in Arabic but one can define it for his own religion and specific for his own. The muslims use it; the Arabs use it; the Arab Jews use it; the descendants of Lot use it; the Amricans, English, Russians; Africans; Pakistanis, Bangladesh; Indonesians, Bruneians; muslim chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Dusun, Bajau, Kedayan, Malays, Ibans, Bidayuh, Penan, Bahasa Malaysia…all of them use it.

Personally in my opinion, if the Herald is written in Arabic, God can be written as Allah. If it is in BM, it’s double-standard to write God as Allah. I am sure the BM has a word for Allah. But if it is written in Iban, it should be called in an iban term. Iban must not try to borrow an Arab term to refer to God. That would pollute the iban language. How can the iban has no term for God in their own language.

Anyway, the prayer of the catholics are answered and God listen and knows best and liberal. It’s OK to use Allah and borrow it from the Arab word just as we borrow it from the English or Latin.
Anang takut nganggau ke Petara nya Allah ga diatu.

Puji Petara ke besai kuasa.

Akiq Hawaong.
Temawai Lama on January 2nd, 2010 7:47 am

Tabi Wai Kaban,

ARAM KITAI MEGAI ADAT IBAN-BERPIRING, ARAP KA PETARA UKAI ALLAH TAALA.

Ba kami Iban bepegai ka adat Iban, nadai penusah laban kami agi berpegai pengarap bemering, petara aki, petara ini. Leboh maia tusah kami bebiau lalu ngangau ka sida Keling, Bungai Nuing enggau Pandak segatak.

Nya alai ba penemu tu, aku arap ka kitai Iban pulai ngagai adat bepiring, anang ngembah Allah Taala laban nya pengarap orang Middle East.

Empai lama ti udah bisi ga isu-isu anak Swk ber-apai ka Iban & ber-indai ka cina dikumbai ukai bumiputra. Ba pengawa tu, nama kebuah ka kahwin enggau bangsa bukai. Indu Iban, Kenyah, Kayan maioh bajik agi. Nya meh ungkup kita ka pama ari bangsa diri empu, sampai dibuai status bumiputra. WE WANT PURE BREED DAYAK BUMIPUTRA SWK.

Pengujung jako, aku endang arap ka kita Iban ngering ka pengarap kitai iban, lalu kahwin enggau bangsa diri empu.

Nya aja kaban.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 8:05 am

Munyi ku Unggal Temawai Lama, sigi manah agi ga kitai kering megai pengarap lama kitai awakka nyau bekiok aja manok kena miau piring’ kena genselanka piring, kena pulaska rekong. Kapa ka nitihka petara sida Arab, sida Isreal, sida India (Budis) etc. Bansa Dayak sigi mayuh pengarap enti nitihka etnik diri. Sida Iban, Kayan, Kenyah, Kelabit, Ukit, Penan, Baketan, Berawan, Kejaman, Selakau, etc semua nya bisi petara kadiri empu. Bisi nya miring alu bisi meh nya enda. Bisi kedua nya nyau takut ke babas laban ba babas nya nyau antu memagang ba ati sida iya.

Nya aja ga utai ke pedis endar ba pengarap Iban. Enti kitai nurun gawa tauka ke babas ngasu beburu alu ninga jelu kijang rerauh meruap ba atas tinting ngumbai girlfriend/boyfriend tauka nyabak dedui kena sintak panjok minta sah kaban, kitai pen alu nikar ga ke rumah laban rauh kijang nya meh ke tanda bisi penusah ba kitai enti kitai degil ngelangar adat nya. Akai dai, muai jam amat ga nya. Enti nyau tiap ari ninga sida kijang bong ba tinting, nyakap pangan diri ke deka ngerebut girlfriend, kitai sigi enda masuk gawa ba ladang sawit. Ka pen enda, kita mesti munaska sida kijang nya. Tang anang ga enda minta pemendar ari sida Forest laban kijang nya pen jelu sida iya.

Akiq Hawong.
merakat anak Piun on January 2nd, 2010 9:19 am

gkm2020…Bravo to you on this article. Very informative, educational, very factual, and most of all hopefully mind boggling to our kaban kitai…Dayak lama and gengs.

Yes….you have many other articles which were also as good as this. I would suggest you and Dr JBA should compile those articles(including articles written by JBA) and come up with a book and put to sale. I would like to buy the book.

What a pity if all those ideas and opinion put forward by you and JBA would just disappear.
Aki on January 2nd, 2010 10:17 am

I pray to Allah-Taala in my time of need, sick, weak and feeling hopeless.

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The above conclusion statement is very much wanting. I hope gkm2020 also pray to God the Almighty during happy and good times also…Not only during the bad time, time of need, sick, weak and feeling hopeless etc etc.
ATASPAGAR on January 2nd, 2010 10:49 am

MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE WORD ALLAH THAT PEOPLE ARGUE AND BRING TO COURT,AFTER YOU CAN USE THE WORD OF ALLAH..THEN WHAT IS YOUR SATISFACTION GUYS..IT’S ONLY WORDS BRO..NOT THE GOD ..AND GO AHEAD WITH YOU GUYS..KITA SAMA2 JUMPA DI AKHIRAT SIAPA YANG BENAR DI SISI TUHAN YANG MAHA SATU…
Anonymous said…
Allah hanyalah nama.. bukan Tuhan.Kenalilah Allah bukan kenal dan tau sebut Nama Allah saja.Siapa saja boleh pakai nama Allah..orang yang kafir pun pandai sebut Nama Allah..itu sebutan saja..Lain Allah dan lain yang empunya nama.Yang penting kenal Allah atau tahu Allah bukan setakat tau sebut nama Allah.”Allah tidak semestinya Tuhan tetapi Tuhan memang Allah.” Aku lebih dekat dari urat leher kamu!”Macamna engkau tahu Allah itu Allah?
January 1, 2010 11:11 PM
sunan said…
tidak apa2 tu kalau nama Allah dipakai oleh orang kristen.bahkan orang kafir pun boleh pakai nama tu.Nama allah itu bukan Tuhan,ia adalah semata nama.sebutan atau gelaran.macamna kalau Allah tidak ada nama..macamna nak sembah DIA?Lain nama lain Tuhan itu sendiri.Nama Mahthir lain.Tubuh badan Mahathir lain.banyak orang kenal kawan2 mereka tapi tak tahu nama2 mereka.Mana penting nama atau kenal orangnya?Kenal orangnya tidak pernah salah..tetapi kalau hanya tau nama..dan tidak kenal..berbahaya…jadi SESAT.Tanya kepada mereka yg membawa Nama Allah ke gereja,adakah mereka kenal Allah seperti mana IANya dikenal.Aku lebih dekat dari urat leher kamu kata Tuhan..carilah AKU.Matikan dirimu baru kau dapat mendapati AKU,bila engkau menemuiKU..engkaupun hancur!Siapa nak jumpa Tuhan..carilah..Jangan setakat sudah tahu nama Allah dah nak buat bising..orang yang dah kenal Allah niscaya tutup mulutnya.Barangsiapa sembahyang tidak tenguk Tuhan,sembahyangnya tidak SAH.Barangsiapa sembahyang tenguk Tuhan ada bentuknya orang itu menjadi kafir tujuh kali orang yang kafir.Nama Allah hanya dimiliki oleh orang2 yang sudah mengenal Allah.Biarlah orang2 itu bermain dengan percakapan kosongnya.Jumpa dulu baru cari dan jumpa dulu baru sembah.
January 2, 2010 12:01 AM
nilos d on January 2nd, 2010 11:00 am

if the Malaysian govt is to make Islam as sarawak’s state religion,the question to u guys is… do you still support Barisan National? need to ponder about this… for the sake of our Christian faith!
Linut Mulung on January 2nd, 2010 11:12 am

Tabi Unggal gkm2020,

Puji Tuhan. Cukup manah penerang ka di bantai ka nuan ditu. Ngajih ka semoa anembiak redak kitai Iban/Dayak berati ka penerang nya kena nambah ia ka bukai ke tau ngasoh kitai ngeleda agi.

Ngena jako pandak aku nyimpul ka penemu aku munyi tu:

1) 1 Malaysia – propaganda aja, kena ngelai ka perintah ka diatu. Pecaya meh, penyerakup pupu raban bangsa ka bisi di wan orang baka runding, penemu enngi MELAYU MALAYA din sigi ENDA OLIH, 1 JUTA taun ti ka datai pan enda meh olih, olih semina di MULUT orang ka bekuasa aja.

2) Kitai anak SARAWAK, sigi enda olih lama segulai sejalai enggau orang MELAYU MALAYA din, nama kebuah??? Laban, CULTURE, MINDSET, PENYIRU, PENYINU, PENGASIH ENGGAU PENGERINDU kitai ka nguan, ngempu menoa Sarawak tu jauh LAIN ari enggi orang di MALAYA DIN kelebih agi MELAYU MALAYA. KITAI ke sama sama ngempu menoa Sarawak tu diwan lebih kurang 32 bangsa ka enda sebaka, tang penyiru/pengasih/pengerindu kitai ka pangan diri begulai sejalai tetap sebaka. Kitai bebasa amat ka pangan diri, jalai pengidup enggau pengarap. Tang di menoa MALAYA din, semoa utai tu ENGGAI SEKALI NYADI, LALU SIGI TETAP ENDA NYADI.

3) Nama penanggul ke pemadu besai ngasoh semoa cara idup nya tadi enggai nyadi di Malaya, LABAN purih pantih sida nya ukai ORIGINAL Melayu Malaya agi, Beratus taun sida udah becampur baur enggau macam macam darah orang ka ngampar ka menoa Malaya kin, KELEBIH agi purih BUGIS , ARAP, TAMBI, PAKISTAN, ENGGAU SEKEDA BALA ORANG ARI EUROPA. Ukai bejai, minta ampun, orang ka datai ngampar tu…semina ka ngidup ka seput diri empu aja, pengelikun, pengelantang enggau kaul ke udah bisi dimenoa nya nadai dikira agi, sida jadi melaki bini enggau orang asal di MALAYA menya kena sida netap ka pengidup diri empu aja. Ari nya semoa purih pantih orang nya diatu…sigi nadai ngira orang, sigi enda bebasa ka orang, nadai pengerindu penyiru ka bangsa orang enti sida nemu KUASA sida deka di ambi ORANG BUKAI, laban darah sida nya endang darah ka nyadi TUAN aja, laban TAKUT ka diri nadai pendiau agi dudi ari ela.

4) Dudi ari ela, kitai enggai tau aka ka, penanggul sigi majak mayuh enti seagi-agi MELAYU MALAYA din enda bebasa ka SEMPEKAT 18/20 points, adat basa orang MENOA SARAWAK, enda nitih ka kaul, pengerindu, pennyiru orang SARAWAK.

5) Ela kitai sama meda, diatu semoa utai ka nyadi ba middle east enggau ba Indon din di baca dalam News paper kitai aja, dipeda ba TV kitai aja. ELA…….enti orang MELAYU MALAYA din majak enda puas ati….ORANG menoa bukai ga maca, meda utai ka nyadi di menoa MALAYA, TANG DI SARAWAK seribu taun pan enda nya nyadi. Nama kebuah?? Laban semoa kitai udah ngasai ka semoa utai nya ari menya nyentuk ka maya Colony suba. Bangsa Melayu Malaya din sigi kih….sigi cukup bingking, nadai nemu puas, sida sigi enda badu nyebut, ngungkat HAL nya seagi agi sida APIN MENANG.. PURIH sida sigi baka nya…Ati, penemu sigi udah diajal orang baka nya ari pun sida ADA ka dunya tu.

6) Nya alai, enti kitai ka LIKUN, LANTANG NGUAN menoa tu, rindu begulai sejalai enggau pangan diri, enda milih bangsa ni, pengarap ni, KITA….mesti BESERARA ENGGAU SIDA.
DIATU, bala Melayu Malaya KA MAI hal tu ngagai Majlis Raja Raja, KITAI pikir lah nama utai ka nyadi udah tu…, sigi enda badu sida tu, seagi-agi apin menang.

Besampi meh ngagai Allah Taala, apai ka diserga, ka pemadu bekuasa, awak ka pengelantang enggau pengelikun meruan di asai ka kitai anak telesak menoa SARAWAK tu.

Enti enda, semoa kitai nemu history pangan diri. Anang ngeruga pengelikun kitai, enti udah tusut, sida ketawa ka kitai.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 11:32 am

Bangsa ba menua tu enda nyenyalah baka darah kitai ke udah kena champor enggau mayuh macham pemakai. Bisi nya darah babi, sapi, kijang, ikan, kera, nyumbuh, rasong, ikan yu etc etc. Nya alai, kitai anang tekenyit ga enti bisi meda sida purih rasong nganti jelu mayas megai menua tu.
Anak Sarawak on January 2nd, 2010 11:33 am

Kitai Iban nama kabuah agi ngena keling, bungai nuing? Tu nama2 ensera/cerita Iban aja.Nadai nama-nama ba nama tu. Kami bansa Iban ka megai pengarap Kristian meri besai terima kasih ngagai Tuhan Jesus laban udah menang ba pemutus kot di KL pasal ngena leka jako “Allah”. Pesan aku nuju semoa kitai Iban badu agi nyembah engkaramba tauka petara bukai laban tu semina munoh semengat kita aja leboh kitai parai ila. Arap meh ka Tuhan Jesus laban Iya aja ulih meri pengidup ti meruan taja pen mati lalu Iya deka ngangkatka semengat kitai ari mati. Di serata dunya semoa mensia arapka ka Tuhan Jesus.Di serata dunya mayuh gereja laban arapka Tuhan Jesus. Tang mensia di serata dunya enda ngelala engkeramba ka disembah aki ini kitai Iban baka keling,Laja, bungai Nuing, laban tu semina cerita anak mit aja.Ingat meh anang ngasoh kitai diperintah antu sitan.
Puji Tuhan.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 12:02 pm

Sida Panggau enggau Gelong baka sida Keling, Laja, Kumang, Lulong etc nya pen mensia baka sida Isreal maya Jesus menya ga. Kitai iban kemaya ari tu ke ka pepaloi ngumbai sida nya petara ke nyeruga ruga mensia menya tang diatu semina roh alu deka disembah nyadi Petara. Pelaba aku, tentu mayuh kitai iban bisi nyembah Apai Saloi ke Petara ga. Sida Keling pen bisi meh ngayau ke menua sida Ribai menya deh. Kada enda menua Isreal ke dikayau sida iya deh? Kitai iban sigi baka ke ka memapab ga ka nyembah mensia baka sida Kristin ke ka nyembah Jesus ke Petara sida iya. Aku sigi enggai salah jaku deka baka kita bukai ke eka nuduh sida Keling, Laja, Kumang, Lulong etc nya Sitan. Sida nya meh baka sida niang aki ini kitai, endang mensia ke nyeruga. Tang sigi amai salah ga enti kitai nyau ngumbai sida iya petara. Sida enda kala ngaku diri petara baka Tuhan Jesus. Nya alai, kitai anang ka paloi ngumbai sida Panggau enggau Gelong nya petara.
ANAK ORANG BERANI on January 2nd, 2010 12:24 pm

SELAMAT TAHUN BARU DR.JOHN & FAMILY,

ARAP SEMOA KETAI DAYAK MUJOR DALAM TAHUN 2010.

ARAM KETAI MINTA SIDA KA UDAH JADI BERTAMPIL ENGAU BANSA BUKAI DI MALAYSIA,CHINA,TAMBI,ORANG PUTEH, ARAB,ETC…
ANANG AGI BEJAKO KA “ALLAH” ENTI ORANG MELAYU KERAN DEKA NGENAN KA JAKO ALLAH DI KENA DI MALAYSIA.

SATU AKU MINTA ABDULLAH A B EX-PM MUAI BINI IYA BANSA CHINA DULU LALU UBAH UNDANG KETAI MASOK MALAYSIA. NAMA EX-PM NYA NADAI INDU LAUT BAJIK ARI BINI IYA BANSA CHINA. NEMU IYA BINI IYA NYA UDAH MAKAI BABI LEBIH 2 TONS UDAH DI EMPA IYA ARI MIT SAMPAI KA JADI ENGAU ABDULLAH. NAMA KETURAN MELAYU DI KL ENDA NAWA IYA NGAGAI COURT.

JAKO NGAPA SIDA KA TURUNAAN MELAYU WEST MALAYSIA, LAPA AKI INI IYA ENDA BEJAKO SUBA WHY NOW…………? ASOH IYA NGAGAI AKU KA RUMAH PANJAI AKU MAKAI IYA MATA ENDA IBOH DI PANDOK.

SAM SUDIN NYA APAI IYA BANSA ARAB TAU KA PASKITAN PEDA NUAN IDONG IYA SEDUAI IYA MAMMAK / HUSSEIN OON NYA UKAI KAH MELAYU DI KL ASOH PULAI KA MENOA ARAP.

SEMOA IBAN TESAU DI RUMAH PANJAI…IBAN JADI ENGAU IBAN ORANG IBAN AJA TAU KA RUMAH PANJAI BANSAS BUKAI TV 3 NO ENTRY.

SABAH ENGAU SARAWAK LEBOH MASOK MALAYSIA LAPA ENDA BEJAKO PASAL ALLAH WHY NOW………? NAJIP NYA KANJI…BAKA FLIM STAR ….MANAH KETAI SARAWAK KELUAR ARI SIDA KL MEGAI KA DIRI MAYOH DAYAK PANDAI DIATU TAJA ENDA BELAJAR BA UiTM / MARA ANAK AKU NADAI MEH SIDA IYA MERI AKU DUIT AKU ENDA BEKERIJA PERINTAH OLEH ANAK AKU KA MENOA TASIK, AUSTRALIA,JIPUN,GERMANY, UK TAJA ENDA KERIJA PERINTAH.TANAH SAWAWAK DI EMPA TAIB
ANANG BEJAKO KA ALLAH AGI…NADAI SALAH ORANG NGENA NAMA IYA ..SIDA IYA TAU NGENA NABI ISA / JESUS CHRISTUS…

TERIMA KASEH

AGI IDOP AGI NGELABAN
Linut Mulung on January 2nd, 2010 12:31 pm

Nuan “ANAK SARAWAK” mapap. Nyangka nuan agi biak, kami tu Iban Christian Meh, tak kah Catholic meh kami tu. Dadah nuan nya, kemaya orang panggau orang Gelong ngumbai diri PETARA baka Jesus???

Enti nuan bisi kaban belayan, apai indai ka olih nusoi ka nuan perkara ka amat dalam pengarap kitai IBAN kelia, tanya manah manah, pending ka cerita orang enggau ati ke mereti, dinga ka ajar orang, anang EGO sebarang, perening nangka ni penemu diri empu, sukat manah manah. anang sekali mantai ka pengelunggau, penadak, ditu. Kitai ukai bejai pengarap sapa sapa, anang agi baka nuan tak pansut lalu ngumbai Iban ka megai pengarap lama enda manah, Salah nya, bepikir sebedau bejako, nulis utai ditu. Se ton, sepikul, segantang mata orang meda utai ka di post nuan ditu, ukai kita sebilik aja.

Anang jampat bejai bangsa diri, pansik enggau manah dulu. Enti nuan orang ka bepengarap, bejalai enggau bala Father kerembai ka pengarap enggau cara ka betul, tiki seluruh rumah panjai, tumpuk pendiau Iban di menoa Sarawak tu, tusoi berita badas, kerembai ka Injil/Bible NGAMBI semoa IBAN nitih ka nuan. Puji Tuhan.

Nyin bala anak IBAN ka masuk pengarap bukai nyin tau meh kangau ka nuan pulai, nuan ga kering ba pengarap. Kasih ka sida enda enggau nuan ela.

Anang dulu manjong dipala Wong, Laut Malaya enda surut ngapa nya, peda manah manah berita, dinga manah manah ka berita TV, news paper, anang lembau meda surat khabar, perati ka utai ka nyadi. Anang nimbak guyap aja, perening enggau terang.

Arap ka apai ka di serga meruan enggau kitai belama. Amen. ngaga tanda regang.
John Jamban on January 2nd, 2010 1:19 pm

Hello friend Blogger,

At this point of time, the word of Allah is no more an issue. The high court already decided and endorsed further that catholic can also use it.

Let we share that word ALLAH with our brother & sisters muslim; that is the concept of 1Malaysia.

I hope the word ALLAH will bring more peace and harmony to the country.

I hope those who practise PETARA will equate PETARA=ALLAH, peace and harmony with fellow sisters and brother muslim.

Nya aja kaban. Happy New Year 2009.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 1:44 pm

Hooray, thanks God, Jesus is Allah and Allah is Jesus, is also the Father and the Holy Spirit too. So, Allah is God and is Jesus and is the Holy Spirit too.
BJack on January 2nd, 2010 2:19 pm

Well done gkm2020, I couldn’t have said better on this stupid topic.

As I watched TV3 last night it really exposed this certain group of people doesn’t want democracy but love demo-crazy and they talk using their nose and not their brain and they don’t know their religion well.Suppose other people act like them surely they will be put into lockup under ISA. I think TV3 make a great mistake by exposing this on the screen.

To some of our good writer above they seem to be over dose of 2009 celebration of langkau or Chivas
they talk out of topic, people were talking about the use of the word Allah they talk about pengarap asal Iban can we reserved it for some other time unggal anang mapap laban deka bejako aja.

I support you 100% gkm2020
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 4:05 pm

Adai si uhang bejaku mapab ditu Igat Bjack. Amat meh sida bisi bejaku ke sida Panggau, sida Gelong, tang isu nya bekaul. Kati ku enda meh wai Telaga Kumang mansut ke penemu diri ka mai perchaya ke sida Panggau nyadi Petara laban sida ke pechaya ke Jesus ke endang mensia nyeruga-ruga 2000 taun ke udah lalu pen baka ke mapab ga dipeda iya alu ka mai kitai anang pechaya ke pengarap datai ari sida Jew. Ukai nya sida Jew aja ke pandai pasal dunya amat meh Einstein kala ngaga formula ngaga bomb atom. Kati nya, nama aja utai datai ari menua tuan din, semuanya kumbai kitai manah memagang. Enti baka nya, kitai nyau muai pengarap kitai ke original ga enti nyau bamak ka nitihka pengarap uhang luar. Nah, berapa uhang agi nemu mihing, nemu bebiau, nimang, bedungai, bepantun diatu deh. Nama hebak bahu diatu landik agi ke lagu hok ari ke bepantun deh.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 4:07 pm

Sohi sahu aku, ukai wai Telaga Kumang tang Unggal Temawai Lama.
Equaliser on January 2nd, 2010 4:12 pm

Dear friends,

The verdict of the court could not have come at a better time than the new year 2010.

The word Allah is sensitive to Muslims in Malaysia. Let us (non-Muslims) respect that.

The word Allah is also sentitive to Christians and other faiths, let Muslims respect that also.

Let all Malaysians respect the word Allah and be happy to share the word Allah, as the starting point into building a 1Malaysia, a truly 1Malaysia. Amen.

Happy New Year 2010 and many happy new years to come to all Malaysians.
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 4:52 pm

The use of the term Allah referring to God has a direct impact on the unity of Malaysians and towards achieving 1Malaysia objective of our PM. Whoever feels comfortable using or uttering it may go ahead coz the court has made the verdict. If one says it in front of the mosque, one will be confused as a muslim.
raja merom on January 2nd, 2010 6:04 pm

Kiruh amat belaya ka pekara bakatu kaban. Nadai ngawa kaban, kitai tu sama-sama import agama ari Timur Tengah dia. Penemu aku siko, nyadi manah agi nanya ngagai Pope Benedict tauka Imam Besai Gerija Nativity ba Jerusalem dia bakani ka sida iya nyebut “Petara ke Siko Aja” nya. Ila kitai nitih ka penemu sida nya. Enti bisi nama bukai, tau meh nya dikena. Enda pia iya kaban???.
kaban on January 2nd, 2010 6:18 pm

Isn’t it a plolitical strategy by BN to let the court decides in this issue to win support at next election?

I remember BN already allowed the restricted usage but retracted and let the court decides to return faith to the judicial system.
arah on January 2nd, 2010 6:23 pm

Who Is “Allah”?

Among the many beautiful names of “Allah” is The Creator.

“My Mercy Prevails Over My Wrath” Knowing Allah Better Allah… God of Monotheism God… or Allah?

The name “Allah” is a word that is heard quite often these days whether it is on the television or passed along in conversation. But most non-Muslims have no idea who Allah is.

Some mistakenly believe that Allah is a deity that Muslims worship similar to the way in which Buddhists worship Buddha. Others think that Allah is a man or a prophet. Just the name “Allah” is so shrouded in mystery because most people never take the time to unravel the meaning.

The meaning of Allah is so simple. Allah is the Arabic form of the word “The One True God”. Muslims worship the exact same God that Jews and Christians do.

Muslims believe that Allah is the One and Only God without partners and that the name “Allah” is unique to the sole Creator of this World and everything in it. To liken Allah to another supposed god in any way shape or form is to commit the one unforgivable sin of shirk, or ascribing partners to Allah.

Muslims believe in submitting their entire will to Allah through acts of worship, obedience and good deeds. Islam is the only religion on Earth that remained purely monotheistic. Each time a Muslim prays to Allah, he has a meeting with the Lord of this World without an intercessor or mediator.

Allah says in the Quran what means,

[And indeed We have created man, and We know what his own self whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge).] (Qaf 50:16)

The Quran reveals that there are Beautiful Names of Allah, which is how Muslims get to know the Creator. Muslims are forbidden to ponder upon Allah’s appearance or to attribute Him to anything in this World as some faiths liken Allah to man. Islam rejects this entirely. We can know about Allah from His beautiful names of which Prophet Muhammad said:

“Verily, there are ninety-nine names of God, one hundred minus one. He who enumerates (and believes in them) them would get into Paradise.” (Al-Bukhari)

The Quran is the last book that Allah gave to humans and it is preserved which means Allah will safeguard it from corruption. Over the past 14 centuries, not a single letter has been changed or altered. No more books or Prophets will come to this world. And it is up to humans as to whether they believe in this final message or turn their backs on it as scores have done before and continue to do every day.

The best way for humans to understand Allah as the Creator is to open their eyes and see His design. Who else but Allah could create a flower as perfect as the rose? Or cover Earth with so much vegetation and foliage that scientists today are still unearthing new species?

Allah is the Most Kind and the Most Merciful. All that Allah has asked for humans to do is to be pious, worship Him alone and be kind to our fellow man. In return, humans are the veritable owners of the Earth to rule it as they see fit as Allah continuously showers His innumerable blessings upon humanity as well as punishments for those who disobey and wreak havoc on the Earth.

Islam is not a new religion or something that a few simply chose one day to follow. Islam is a continuation of the previous messages that were revealed to past Prophets.

Prophet Muhammad seals the line of prophets who came to this world both to warn humans and give glad tidings of Allah’s mercy. It is only through Allah’s love and mercy for mankind that He bothered to send prophets so that we may know Him… the One and Only God.

Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (Aal ‘Imran 3:64)

Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
5:17 (Y. Ali) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”

As exclaimed by Moses (pbuh): “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Deuteronomy 6:4.

“I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God.”
Isaiah 45:5.

“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.”
Exodus 20:3-5

Jesus Christ (pbuh) said the following in the Bible:
“This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
John 17:3

“How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?”
John 5:44

“The most important commandments,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, is one Lord’”
Mark 12:29
arah on January 2nd, 2010 6:29 pm

I still can’t find in the bible that Jesus Trinity or called those who followed him as Christian, can someone help.

The name of God is Allah even in the Bible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHhyu61f-wo&feature=related

Cheers
Cikgu Iban on January 2nd, 2010 6:35 pm

Hey, hang on brothers,

A minister in the Prime Minister Department is going to appeal agaist the court decision. So, it over yet.

Cheers…
raja merom on January 2nd, 2010 7:13 pm

CI

When they appeal, they will definitely win 1000%, without a single doubt. Wanna bet???
Akiq Hawong on January 2nd, 2010 7:18 pm

Unggal Arah:

It would be a lie for the Gospel of John to say that ‘In the beginning was word and word become flesh/human’; he meant that Jesus is God and Lord; Jesus was involved in the creation of the world.
raja merom on January 2nd, 2010 7:53 pm

Ngagai semua kaban,

Please check with WILKIPEDIA and type the word ALLAH. You’ll be surprised to find the answer and the truth out there. No need to argue ma, waste time only.

Cheers.
steelpen13 on January 2nd, 2010 8:16 pm

Dear fellow Malaysians especially Dayaks,

Compared to many of you, I’m a babes in the woods but I can’t help being a concerned Malaysian and worry about the safety of my future and the future of my children. Witnessing the vehement outburst by fellow Muslims regarding the usage of “Allah” by Christians (I won’t specify only Catholics because this is the time ALL Christians should unite)I begin to wonder about how Christians would be treated in the future in Malaysia.

Will there be a possibility of prosecutions of Christians in Malaysia by the Muslims like what happened in Indonesia? There is a possibility.

Hence, I wonder, where has all the talk of unity and 1Malaysia? Why are our ELECTED ministers in time of need (they beg like hungry dogs for our votes during election time but come when we the rakyat(people) need their representations, they conveniently shied away) kept quiet about this issue. I believe there are Christian ministers in our country and especially in Sarawak and Sabah. Why can’t they represent us in voicing out our concerns especially in terms of religion. The Muslims ministers are showing their supports through the media whereas our so-called Christian ministers are keeping mum to save their own hide and of course their political careers. Bluntly speaking, JAGA PERIUK NASI SENDIRI and selling us to the infidels like Judas selling Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. (SO CHEAP!!!)

It is pointless for us to just quote the Bible or any texts. It is time for all Christians to unite and act. Nothing violent but a show of unity. From those in ministerial posts to those in the interiors. Bear witness to your faith or one day you will face prosecution. I shiver in my toes when I saw the telecast by TV3 tonight showing fellow Malaysians casting discrimination on Christians and they walk away without a scratch. Let a non-Muslim do that and he or she will be put under the ISA. Now it’s the Christians, soon the others…

Fairness? Justice? 1Malaysia? CRAP!!! And we are just going to sit and wait? Till stones are thrown at us like what the Palestinians are doing to the Israelis?

The Pemuda UMNO voiced their dissatisfaction, the Pemuda of an NGO in Perlis voiced their unhappiness… where are the Pemuda of PRS? Pemuda of SPDP? Our elected representatives… deserting us in time of need?
Bujang Tusah Ati on January 2nd, 2010 8:23 pm

Laud menua kitai sigi pama deh…ukai PAS nganu kitai..nda ka dadak?? Udah puluh taun kitai begulai nama ka diatu mantah utai nyak?? nama cdak nda gaga org nyembah Allah..?? Asuh bala laud kitai ditu nanya org arab Allah nyak nama?? errr…hairan ku nama gak org laud nyebut tai nyak..??
steelpen13 on January 2nd, 2010 8:35 pm

Nilos,

I shiver in fear. As a born and breed Sarawakian, I’m proud to be Sarawakian and without the inclusion of Sarawak and Sabah with Malaya, there won’t be Malaysia. But for Sarawak to be a Muslim state? Isn’t that a breech of the 18 elements? Who is going to be, that dumb-ass to agree to it? But the Judases we elected might just do it for 30 pieces of silver. (How cheap are we to be sold.)Our rights taken, right in front of us? Like I said my previous comment, now forcing Sarawak to be a Muslim state, in the future, conversion? And the Judases? They will be enjoying the sun and sea in the Gold Coast of Australia or the sheep country of NZ or following their ‘menantu’ to France.

Hence, this is not just voting for which ever parties but our Christian faith at stake and the future of Sarawakians too. Who should we turn to for help? Let us pray to God, (and if I was using Arabic) ALLAH!
Kamaruddin on January 2nd, 2010 8:49 pm

Perbezaan di kalangan makhluk manusia di dunia ini adalah berbangsa-bangsa dan berpuak-puak mengikut budaya hidup, tabiet dan kelakuan. Dalam agama dan kepercayaan, mereka adalah tertakluk kepada tahap ilmu pengtahuan dan kepercayaan yang mereka tahu. Contohnya; Dayak Kristian tidak boleh kata kepercayaan asal nenek moyang Dayak itu salah. Saya adalah seorang Malayu Islam dan dalam usia 70an, saya masih lagi mencari ilmu kebesaran Allah yang meliputi seluruh kejadian alam di langit dan di bumi termasuk ilum tua Dayak yang asal bersabit dengan rahsia air embun yang diambil dari daun-daun di puncak pokok yang tinggi di bukit-bukit dan di gunung-ganang. Orang Islam lain, termasuk anda sebagai Kristian bolih kata saya sesat; yang sebenarnya saya mecari Allah dari TAK ADA se hingg ADANYA DIA di mana-mana. Perbalahan yang timbul sekaang bepunca dari niat yang tidak tulus ikhlas oleh padri yang berkenaan. Nama bagi setiap mahluk yang hidup, setelah dia mati kembali ke Rahamtullah nanti, namanya akan menjadi satu daripada nama-nama Allah yang banyak termasuk nama Nabi Isa, Nabi Muhamad dan juga nama-nama nenek moyang Dayak. Jangan terpadaya dengan omong-orang yang tak berilmu, akhirnya kita juga yang rugi. Read Bible, Quran, Hindu dan Bhudha books including getting old beliefs of your old folks and make comparative study, May Allah bless you with His Knowledge of Himslef.
nyelipan api on January 2nd, 2010 10:16 pm

tu meh ulah sida islam(melayu kelebih agi)ti cukup banchat. ribut nadai, ujan nadai peda tak lalu ngudi diri nggau penemu tu. nti bansa bukai lama udah kena tinggang akta ISA. tu nyau ka ngapir baru ga sida, ka ndar ngiga laya. ulah tu baru tau d gaga ka report polis. tu meh ngasoh menoa kacau. bah submit meh report polis Dr…..lalu pia mega ngarap ka jtaun baru tu ngajih ka taib nya jampat agi parai…
Bats on January 2nd, 2010 11:07 pm

I can’t believed the reaction to be like that. I guess we do not have to “protect” our God as Our God , One God, is the Almighty who protect all of human beings soul. God is a Maker of everything. God knows everything but not human being. bla bla bla…really ….
kuncitmuncit on January 3rd, 2010 12:08 am

To quote what the Malay/Muslims themselves are fond of saying:” KITA HANYA MAMPU MERANCANG,TETAPI HANYA TUHAN YANG AKAN MENENTUKAN.”

So,wether the Muslims,and their leaders,ulamas and politiicians suceed in their plans to appeal and upturn the court’s ruling,the true GOD will uphold the righteous,…foil the plans of those who are evil,…and punish them. For “…THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH” HE said.
Anak Iban on January 3rd, 2010 12:50 am

Anang meh kitai iban tauka bangsa dayak beranu pangan dirik. Lagi andal mai bala sidak ‘janek’ ba KL din meda kitai tok balaya. Enti kaban kitai nyak agik kak nyembah petara iban, kitai ke udah Christian tok sembiang ka ya meh, awak ka ya nyak pulai ngagai jalai ke betul. kapa enda bala sidak janek nyak ngena jaku Allah awak ka sidak ya alah belama LOL…ila kitai meda, sapa antara kitai masuk syurga..engka sidak ya memang lalu jadi janek meh..ha ha. anang nganu pangan dirik agik..peda kitai kitai bangsa dayak di pejaii bala sidak janek. peda kitak menua kitai nadai lubah amai bisi pemansang taja kitai bisi minyak, lada enggau sawit! ni bisi menua kitai tok bisi LRT, Komuter enggau rumah tinggi? peda kitak bangsa iban nyau ka mati nanam padi. kitai dayak patut bersatu..aku bangga jadi anak iban.
batulawi on January 3rd, 2010 1:45 am

Can’t we see the trend? The court in Malaysia is still under UMNO. UMNO (pretending to be NGO’s) will run amok, demonstrate, make more police report against the high court judge and then the appeals court will surely rule in UMNO’s favor. That’s it! The only justice is UNMO justice (actually injustice!)

Imalaysia is just for UMNO, BN is UMNO.

If the word ‘ALLAH’ is taboo for non-muslims, UNMO BN will cook up some more taboo words, culture, streets, malls, schools and so on.

Anyway, thanks to TV3, MSM for helping UMNO BN ‘tebang’ their own ‘tiang’. Cut some more for pride’s shake!
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 6:07 am

Iban Budo. Sapo Agung Malaysia tuk??? Sapo Sultan2 Malaysia ???? Sapo migai printah Malaysia tuk????

You were all sold to the Muslim Malayan Sultans on 16 September 1963 by Temenggung Jugah Anak Barieng, Raja Nyumboh Iban No 1.

Endak pia???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
engkerawai on January 3rd, 2010 7:38 am

Look at the monkeys in TV3 news, they disagree with the court decision. They think that the term ‘ALLAH’ means for Islam only. Allah can mean GOD not GODS..therefore we shared the same term for good, not for evil intentions. And it is not exclusive for Islam. Sorry brother, don’t be too fanatic and extreme in yr views if we want to be in 1Malaysia.
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 8:56 am

Engkerawai,

Malaysia is for Muslims. Ibans are Non Muslim Kaffir. If we are belligerent we would be put to the sword. That is being Muslim.

Kaffir status means Muslims are the only ones who are Ketuanan. You are Kaffir, your children are Kaffir and your right to express yourself legitimately is Kaffir talk. The Malays do not accept, will not accept, must not accept the speech of an Iban Kaffir. That is what is taught to them from cradle to grave. An entire people cursed with a rubbish education system produces that narrow thinking.

Unless you Islamise, you are a Kaffir. If you are a belligerent kaffir, a Muslim has the godly right to kill you, and that will acceptable in their religion.

So be a good Kaffir Iban, your Agung is Muslim, Your Sultan is Muslim, Your CM is Muslim, Your Boss is Muslim, and your neighbour is Muslim who is also your Superior in every way in 1Malaysia.

You are suffering from sectarian discrimination because your Monkey King Jugah sold you to the Muslims.

Be a good Kaffir. Be a Loyal Kaffir. Follow your Agung, Your Sultan and teachings of your Mohammedan Neighbour. For they rule 1Malaysia, and your Monkey Kaffir race don’t.
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 9:04 am

Dear DB,

If you want to stimulate REAL talk here on your site, you should put up a picture of Jugah and ask your readers to comment on this MONKEY.

We were led by CHAWAT WEARING PRIMITIVE from Ulu Rajang. Let us all be BRAVE IBANS and TALK ABOUT OURSELVES FIRST AND ADMIT THAT WE ARE MONKEYS, because we SUPPORT MONKEYS LIKE JUGAH.

ARE WE STILL PRIMITIVE??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!
Anak Iban on January 3rd, 2010 9:15 am

balik amat bala kitak tok neh!!!!! ANDAL AMAI ORANG LAUT MEDA KITAI TOK BEKANGAU KA PADIRIK MONYET!!!!!!!! biarlah utai kelama nyak udah nyadi!!!! Anang beli beli agik malik ke balakang! enti kitai amat ringat, maju ka bangsa kitai! anang agik belik-belik beanuk sesama diri….
Anak Iban on January 3rd, 2010 9:17 am

ooo ya, I’m not MONKEY! I’m a real IBAN. I have brain, i have degree and i will not look back!
engkerawai on January 3rd, 2010 9:41 am

Iban prototype to Duplicate orang Islam jangka aku! Patut nama ia ‘Abdullah’. Kacang lupakan Kulit! Memalukan!!! kau berhujah untuk pihak mana prototype!!! Dah kena penyakit Alzheimer, I think?
engkerawai on January 3rd, 2010 9:48 am

The word ‘Exclusive’ is not for us sebagai hamba Allah, kita ini ‘Servant’ Dunia ini hanya ‘duplicate’/sementara. Tiada yang istimewa untuk sesorang atau untuk Islam saja!! Jangan minta lebih-’greedy’. Tuhan akan melaknat orang yang rakus pentingkan diri. Baca Quran balik apa apa disebut ‘Allah”. Patutlah Dunia Islam sik aman, suka begaduh, kena tindas Negara Barat!!!
Iban Militant on January 3rd, 2010 10:31 am

Belik…..rindu ka bejaku belik. Sigi ukai nama Petara kitai Iban “Allah” nya. Keni ka kunsi nama Petara enggau Islam? Allah ba jaku kitai Iban is LOSER ko ribai!

Enti nuan Kristian, nuan nyebut nama Petara “Allah Taala”. Anak tunggal iya Jesus ke diada ke Maria (Mary) dara tuchi disebut nuan Tuhan. Kami Kristian selalu ngemesai ke nama IYA laban IYA udah ngampun penyalah mensia ba dunya tu. Enti nuan sembiang orang putih nuan nyebut Petara nuan GOD. Why so much bother about how you address your Petara’s name?

Sapa ke enda nitih ke ajar Tuhan Jesus deka dibuai ngagai api NERAKA maia sida mati ila. Only through Jesus Christ human beings could get ETERNAL life. Amen

Badu agi berebut ke nama Allah, laban aku ka MENANG nyembah Tuhan Jesus & Apai kitai Allah Taala ngambi ulih enggau IYA idup ba menua Syurga. Amen
Leslie Wan on January 3rd, 2010 10:35 am

“Where are our dayak leaders?”, you said. ha ha ha our dayak leaders, all of them are only pretending to be christian. they are not. Corrupted people how can they be christian.

UMNO will give them money to keep quite. They are only interested in selling our rights to UMNO.

Look at Jabu, going to church is just one of his job. He has thousands of idols in his home. More asre coming. He can’t say the lords prayer.

Look at Uggah, so much money from PKFZ when he was deputy to Minister of Transport. Corrupt like nobody’s business.

Look at Robert Chuat, YB good for nothing. Tukang amin Jabu and Uggah. Most of the time in Australia. Pretend to be the most holy of them all and also showing he has very strong anti-islam agenda. Show him the money, he will be a donkey.

No only in PBB. Masing is also like that. Mawan is in Tiong’s pocket and never out of it.

The worst of the politicians is Adit. He turned himself into a frog, jumpoing where even the money fly.
Cikgu Iban on January 3rd, 2010 10:49 am

Oh nooo,
I am not a monkey thou I am a full boodied Iban. I have brain as well. I do have intelligence as well so not that I will not behave like a monkey for which you presume the Ibans mostly are. Ibans are not monkeys. We are so much better than any kind of animals.

By calling Ibans or Dayak and their leaders ( past and present)as typical primitve monkeys ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE the Dayak Iban predicaments. I fancy it if we do not dwell on the past deeds of our earlier leaders or rather Monkey KING. Neither we are going to be so much better off nor worse off even when ALL DAYAKS/IBANS are fully converted to Islam. Full Islamisation of the Dayak Ibans is not going to solve our hardship. It is a just a disguised attempt to encourage Islamic supremacy in a beloved country. Believe me.

Instead we must focus on the present or future leaders by giving them constructive proposal, implemeting the plans acceptable to all, esp the Ibans, so that together we could progress to be at par if not ahead of other races. The present Dayak Leaders, esp the YBs, are expected to reciprocate and show genuine interests in our Iban plights.

By placing photograph of out KING MONKEY will definitely be solving our issues. I fail to see this will work out. Well, it is just a mockery of this late individual. and it is not funny.

Any modern Ibans are expected to be delivering their professional ideas for all to digest and adopt to be their guidance in the future undertaking. There have been a number of bloogers here who truly have given their level best to open up our rather rusty Iban minds so that we could possibly see what they have seen and carried out successfully in their lives. Thanks to these people. They have come up with a number of things for the Ibans to take heed of.

Now, for those who claim themselves to be a modern Ibans, please come forward with more favourable proposals instead of comdemning the already hugely disadvantaged Ibans. One may nt be the number one. Just suffice to be modern and then give is is constructive whatever is favourable to the Iban community. I guess there are a number of us here who do not want to see the Ibans sliding further down into oblivion.

Now, modern Iban, how do solve to the problem of the ALLAH at hand now?. We know that the government os going to appeal against the court ruling. How do we intrepret the relevant laws in the Fed Constitution?

Cheers…
Iban Militant on January 3rd, 2010 10:53 am

When talk about GOD never complicate the issue with YB. It’s between YOU and GOD!

You can curse our YB about pemansang, if you thirsty of development; always NGANTI, NGARAP & NGANDAR. Send them to HELL in the coming Sarawak election. The verdict is on your hands.

Dont make fool of yourself my friend. GOD is great and never allah laban duit & pangkat! If you seek God’s help you will find, if you knock on the door it will open for you, if you ask GOD for assistance you will be given according to HIS will. Have faith & believe in your Tuhan Jesus who live & reign with the Almighty GOD. Amen.
Apostle Creed on January 3rd, 2010 11:22 am

Aku arap ka Allah Taala, Apai ti pemadu bekuasa, ti pengaga serega enggau dunya.
Aku arap ka Jesus Kristus,
Anak tunggal iya, Tuhan kitai.
Iya nyadi mensia olih kuasa Roh Kudus, di ada ka Maria, Dara Tuchi.
Iya diperinsa rambau Pontius Pilate,
diregang, parai lalu ditumbak.
Iya murun ngagai sebayan,
udah tiga hari iya angkat idup baru.
Iya niki ka menoa serega,
lalu dudok ari sapiak kanan Apai iya.
Iya ka datai baru,
nyara orang ti agi idup
enggau orang ti udah parai.
Aku arap ka Roh Kudus,
Gereja katolik ti kudus,
saum orang saint
pengampun samoa penyalah,
pengangkat samoa tuboh,
enggau pengidup ti meruan. Amin..
Anak Iban on January 3rd, 2010 11:54 am

okay…okay we all Iban Iban and seluruh Dayaks…please do not speak ill of each other anymore. PLease lah! Why do we have to argue whether we r monkey or not? The Allah issue is just a small little tiny miny problem okay! Just remember John 3:16..that will be our guide…

oo bala anak2 iban, belajar bebendar, bulih kerja gaji besai! Badu gik ngirup! simpan duit beli meh tanah ke di jual bala sidak iban ke enda tentu nemu berunding…anang jual tanah ngagai bangsa bukai! buka meh mata enggau pending! badu meh bejai ke pangan diri…ilak mati nadai di ampun petara baru kita nemu diri!
semugah on January 3rd, 2010 12:13 pm

Nyeh…Anak Sarawak, Bakani asai nuan kena anu orang ditu…nya kitai anang kelalu nitih ati diri empu aja. Aku nuan Linut Mulung ! Ukai nama, enggai ke sida ke kelalu nya nyau majak kelalu dalam semua utai.. Ari ni penatai aki ini kitai tu kelia? Anang nyepi diri ke udah nyamai…nyau enda ingat ke semua utai !!

Enda iboh belaya ke hal tu…awak ke petara ngatur…sapa ti lebih bekuasa ari Petara? Ia nemu ni utai ke patut serta betul…! Enda disebut ‘Allah’ pan enda meh petara nya ringat…!
Aki on January 3rd, 2010 1:01 pm

Kaban DB Bloggers,

Majalah Pemansang “TINTING TINJAU” was taken out from the shelves. What does that mean? Is the Majalah banned before entering the market?
raja merom on January 3rd, 2010 1:04 pm

Tabi bala kaban,

Those groups protesting in the TV and media are nothing but just a motley crew of mamak, indon and arab decendant seeking publicity in the media and TV. Just look at their ugly face with saliva foaming in their mouth. Really “jijik” lah these “lupa diri” immigrants. Dia orang yang lebih-lebih “as if they own this country” dan orang lain tak ada hak. By the way, they do not look so honest themselves and look as if somebody is making use of them, if you know what I mean.

Lepas tu dia orang balik rumah, lupakan semua dan buat maksiat, mcm si YB “bocor” tu yang baru-baru kawin artis tu. Kalau dalam Parlimen bukan main, cakap mcm parlimen dia punya, cakap lintang-pukang tak ada fakta, memperkecilkan orang, tunjuk perangai samseng (kononnya) dan banyak lagi perkara buruk. Sekarang mau bilang apa lagi, “sudah terang lagi bersuluh”.
saru penemu on January 3rd, 2010 1:12 pm

Anang nemu nganu orang wai. Teguh ka iman diri empu aja, antara nuan enggau petara.

Nemu kita, lebuh aku bakerja di Johor suba, aku enggau nembiak aku tetemu ka bala laut mai utai pakai, baka gula enggau roti ngagai rumah Tok Kong Cina di tisi jalai minta nombor ekor. Maia nya pukul 2.00 pagi. Nama kebuah bala laut pecaya ke utai nya neh?
MJC on January 3rd, 2010 4:04 pm

Blog Readers,

The Christian citizens in Sarawak have been using the word ‘Allah’ in their worship for ages as the local natives are all schooled in Bahasa Malaysia, thus the churches have to conduct their worship in BM, and the words, ‘Allah’, ‘Maha Esa’, etc, are often used.

Even the name of the church is in BM – the Sidang Injil Borneo. Please be reminded that the Dayak natives are the majority and Malay Muslims constitute only about 20 percent of the population of Sarawak.

I urge all Dayaks never to study or learn Arabic language or words….Arabic are only for Muslim.
anakmit on January 3rd, 2010 4:46 pm

BARU KITAI NEMU BETAPA BINKING NYA ORANG KE BERBANSA MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!

NAMA LA SALAH KITAI SAMA BELA BEGUNA KE NAMA `ALLAH`?

MADAH DIRI SATU MALAYSIA!!!!!!!!!!
koko on January 3rd, 2010 5:04 pm

We understand your happiness of the word Allah, we also don’t mind if the word Allah is used in Sabah/Sarawak since we know that it was like that since before independence. But the same cannot be said in the peninsular, the act of using the word Allah in the peninsular is higher gross humiliation and disrespect to Muslim in the peninsular and it should not be used by the Christian. Anyway, Christian in the peninsular mostly are Chinese/Indian who speak English and read English bible, so what is the motive? To convert Muslim in Peninsular to Christianity?
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 7:17 pm

Dear Cikgu Iban,

Your Malay Neighbour calls your children Monkeys. He calls your wife a filthy Monkey. And you are a Kaffir Monkey. Your Malay Mohammedan Muslim Neighbour is taught to only receive instructions from another Malay Muslim, because he rules this country and you as a Kaffir don’t. The day the Kaffirs rule this country, your Malay neighbour will take his Keris made in Bandung and kill your Kaffir children.

The Issue is NOT ABOUT ISLAMISATION. The ISSUE IS ABOUT IBAN MONKEYS AND IBAN MONKEY LEADERS. The ISSUE IS ABOUT MODERN IBANS AND MODERN IBAN LEADERS. THE ISSUE IS WHY DO PRIMITIVE IBANS KEEP ON VOTING FOR MONKEY LEADERS???!!! AND WHY MUST THE REST SUFFER THIS BEHAVIOUR??!!!

That is the Issue. To me a longhouse Iban is worse than an animal. Because he is blessed by Allah to think and have free choice. For despite the good advice and the good word, he chooses to vote for a Monkey who in turn will support policies that puts me and my kith and kin in discrimination, destitution, suffering and poverty. The Longhouse Iban to me is the ENEMY. I will spare no tears, for deep inside any modern Iban, they would wish to kill them all, every man, woman and child and burn their Monkey Longhouses, for daring to kill our Iban race. For daring to have a political say when they are led by Malay Slavers. FOR KILLING OUR FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You think about it Cikgu Iban. You think carefully about what you say.
arah on January 3rd, 2010 7:28 pm

My dear Akiq Hawong

You mentioned about Gospel of John, who is that John who write the Gospel ?

Did Jesus teach of One Almighty God or Trinity?

How should I understand Jesus most important commandment?

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).

Why didn’t Jesus said ” the Lord is Three and I am one of them?

Why did Moses mentioned the following in Exodus

1.And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

2:255 (Asad) GOD – there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent Fount of All Being. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor sleep. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth. Who is there that could intercede with Him, unless it be by His leave? He knows all that lies open before men and all that is hidden from them, [247] whereas they cannot attain to aught of His knowledge save that which He wills [them to attain]. His eternal power [248] overspreads the heavens and the earth, and their upholding wearies Him not. And he alone is truly exalted, tremendous. –

2:256 (Asad) THERE SHALL BE no coercion in matters of faith. [249] Distinct has now become the right way from [the way of] error: hence, he who rejects the powers of evil [250] and believes in God has indeed taken hold of a support most unfailing, which shall never give way: for God is all-hearing, all-knowing. –

Cheers
Akiq Hawong on January 3rd, 2010 7:37 pm

Just want to ask you Mr Arah. Who are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit referred to?

Did Jesus claim that the Father was involved in the first creation? Did the word in the beginning (according to the Gopel of John) also involve in the first creation and in the NT become human, Jesus? Is God a Spirit or evil spirit or Holy Spirit? If you are a christian, you should understand the first paragraph of Gospel of John quite well. The identity of Jesus is summed up well there unless John was writing lies.

I think that’s my personal opinion as I see it from this tebing lubok dudok dedungok ngipa indu utai ke terebai ka diempa aku jauh malam tu.

Aki Hawong
Pengayau on January 3rd, 2010 7:38 pm

Dear DB frens,

1.Please do not turn this issue into a Racist Issue

2.Stick to the REAL Issue

3.Argue by fundamental basis of the usage of the word ALLAH by Non Muslim

Here i have some thoughts that i would like to share with you all

1.Point 1: Religion
While there was no objection to Islam being the national religion of Malaysia there should be no State religion in North Borneo, and the provisions relating to Islam in the present Constitution of Malaya should not apply to North Borneo

2.Christians and Muslims sometimes misunderstand Allah to be purely Islamic. Instead, it is the Arabic word for God and a close semantic relative of the Hebrew El. In many Central Asian countries, Muslims use Khuda, the Persian word for God, rather than Allah. Christians in Palestine and other Arabic-speaking communities also refer to God as Allah.

3.The term spread to Southeast Asia in the 1100s as Muslim sultanates were established. It then became incorporated into the Malay language family, which includes Malaysian and Indonesian.

4.Christians have used the word for centuries, and the conflict is not new. A Wycliffe translator who has been in the region for several years said this debate began when the first Bible was published in Malay, using Allah, in 1985.

5.This indicates “the country is moving away from the multireligious and multiethnic composition that negotiated independence from the British to a domination of one race over all.”

6.There is no use of staging a demonstration as it will lead to POTENTIAL serious backlashes and the protest itself is a contempt of Court Decision

7.We cant afford to EXPERIENCE another Racial Riot(May 16th 1969)

8.This is where the POLITICAL WISDOM played a very important roles to deal with the issue WISELY

9.It should be a Win-Win situation for both side in the end of the day,otherwise it might PROLONG the issue rather than SOLVING it

10.This is where the 1Malaysia Concept should be CONCEPTUALISED so that it will DISMISSED the RHETORICS and POLEMICS critics agaisnt it.If the Government FAILED to project this image,they better buckle up their seatbelt and brace for the IMPACT in the next General Election

http://pengayau.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/aktivis-islam-rancang-adakan-demonstrasi/
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 7:41 pm

Dear MJC

Arab is a language, Islam is a RELIGION. Arabs are Christians and speak Arabic, Arabs are Jews and speak Arabic, and Arabs are Muslims and speak Arabic.

Arab is also a culture, but that depends how that culture is practiced where in the Middle East.

Malays are a minority ethnic group in South East Asia, numbering no more than 18 million at the most. Malays are a MINORITY. Malays are an ETHNIC MINORITY. Malays in Malaysia practice ASSIMILATION on the Non Malay. Malays Proselytise. Malays in Malaysia are backward and insular. Malays soldiers are Askar Melayu Bersarong underneath pakai Bikini. That is what the Indonesians call the Melayu here.
arah on January 3rd, 2010 7:49 pm

My dear Iban Militant

Indeed the likeness of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) before Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was. [Aal ‘Imraan: 59]

The saying of Allaah the Elevated:

{Indeed the likeness of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) before Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was. The truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.} [Aal ‘Imraan: 59-60]

‘Eesaa, son of Maryam [Jesus, son of Mary], may prayers and peace be upon him, is a servant and messenger of Allaah in the Islaamic legislation, the Word of Allaah that He bestowed upon Maryam and a Rooh – spirit from Him.

He is a servant [of Allaah] who must not be worshiped, a Messenger [of Allaah] who must not be belied. The Jews and Christians have either gone to extremes or deficiencies concerning him.

The Jews were cold and deficient towards him, as they described him as being a bastard child. The Christians on the other hand went to extremes concerning him, by worshiping him alongside Allaah.

Allaah created him, with His ability, from Maryam without a father, just as he created Adam from earth, He created Hawaa [Eve] from Adam and then created the rest of mankind from both male and female.

These are the four categories of creation that mankind is restricted to. Allaah mentioned the creation of Adam and Hawaa and the rest of mankind – except ‘Eesaa – in the beginning of Chapter an Nisaa saying:

{O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawaa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women…} [An Nisaa: 1]

Allaah then completed [the categories of creation] by creating ‘Eesaa without a male, but this is a lesser category than Adam’s creation which was with neither a male nor female. For this reason Allaah said:

{Indeed the likeness of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) before Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was.} [Aal ‘Imraan: 59]

The creation of ‘Eesaa was with the word ‘Kun – [Be]’ just as the creation of Adam was with ‘Be’. This is what came in the Islaamic legislation and it is the truth without doubt, this is why Allaah then said:

{The truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.} [Aal ‘Imraan: 60]

He also said the Chapter Maryam:

{Such is ‘Eesaa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). (It is) a statement of truth about which they doubt (or dispute).} [Maryam: 34-35]

Commenting on this verse, ibn Katheer stated:

“Allaah the Elevated says: {Indeed the likeness of ‘Eesaa (Jesus) before Allaah} In relation to Allaah’s ability as he created him without a father {is as the likeness of Adam.} For Allaah the Glorified created him without a father or mother {He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was. The truth is from your Lord}. Therefore the One who created Adam without a father is able to create ‘Eesaa in a simpler fashion. So if it can be claimed that ‘Eesaa is the son of Allaah because he was created without a father, then it can also be claimed that Adam is the son of Allaah for the same reason and more, and it is known with consensus that this is falsehood, so claiming that ‘Eesaa is the son of Allaah for this reason is therefore a greater and more apparent falsehood. But the Lord, the Mighty and Majestic, wished to show His ability to His creation when he created Adam without a male or female, Hawaa with a male without a female, ‘Eesaa with a female but without a male and the rest of mankind from both male and female.”

Another example of these four categories in the creation of mankind is in the creation of the children of Adam, as Allaah blesses some of them with sons, some with daughters, some with both sons and daughters and some without either, as Allaah said:

{To Allaah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He bestows female (offspring) upon whom He wills, and bestows male (offspring) upon whom He wills. Or He bestows both males and females, and He renders barren whom He wills. Verily, He is All-Knower and is Able to do all things.} [Ash Shuraa: 49-50]

Likewise are the four categories in contentment and misery, amongst mankind are those who are born as believers and die as such, others are born as disbelievers and die as such, some are born as disbelievers and die as believers and others are born as believers and die as disbelievers. The evidence for the latter two categories is the Hadeeth of ibn Mas’ood where it states:

By the One, other than Whom there is no other deity, indeed one of you performs the actions of the people of Paradise until there is but an arms length between him and it, and what has been written overtakes him, and so he acts with the actions of the people of the Hellfire and thus enters it; and indeed one of you performs the actions of the people of the Hellfire, until there is but an arms length between him and it, and what has been written overtakes him and so he acts with the actions of the people of Paradise and thus he enters it.” [Narrated by both Bukharee and Muslim]

http://www.answering-christianity.com/at.htm

cheers
Manang Empangau on January 3rd, 2010 7:49 pm

Bah! Nama utai deka dikelaya ke kita pasal leka jaku ALLAH nya deh Igat? Aku ke agi ngembuan pengarap lama tu sigi enda rindu endar nerima pengarap datai ari menua tasik din. Pengarap datai nya sigi ka kontrol pengidup kitai nya Igat. Nama penyadi, kitai nyau muai pengarap diriempu ketegal ke deka nitihka pengarap sida Jew tauka Arab. Peda pengangkuh sida Jew/Arab nya nyau belaya sampai ke sari tu, bebom suitsait baka sida Unggal Samaladin berebut ke Petara. Dini nya nyau Petara sida Isreal, sida Saudi Arabia aja ke ngaga langit enggau dunya tu. Petara kitai iban pen bisi meh ngaga dunya tu. Kitai nyau baka ke mayuh kena kachau antu buyu ketegal ke leka jaku ALLAH nya.
Kerani Opis Welfare on January 3rd, 2010 8:22 pm

i agreed with what you said iban militant,

“Belik…..rindu ka bejaku belik. Sigi ukai nama Petara kitai Iban “Allah” nya. Keni ka kunsi nama Petara enggau Islam? Allah ba jaku kitai Iban is LOSER ko ribai!

Enti nuan Kristian, nuan nyebut nama Petara “Allah Taala”. Anak tunggal iya Jesus ke diada ke Maria (Mary) dara tuchi disebut nuan Tuhan. Kami Kristian selalu ngemesai ke nama IYA laban IYA udah ngampun penyalah mensia ba dunya tu. Enti nuan sembiang orang putih nuan nyebut Petara nuan GOD. Why so much bother about how you address your Petara’s name?”

since i m a christian, my God is exactly Jesus Christ.

CI, i’m aware with what you said,”I am not a monkey thou I am a full boodied Iban. I have brain as well. I do have intelligence as well so not that I will not behave like a monkey for which you presume the Ibans mostly are. Ibans are not monkeys. We are so much better than any kind of animals.”
well monkey ibans, i ve seen one, but iban monkey or iban monkey leader may be,may be not but iban wearing a monkey sarong and monkey mask definitely, ya
Manang Empangau on January 3rd, 2010 8:28 pm

God is Lord
God is Petara
God is Allah
Jesus is Lord
Jesus is God
Jesus is Petara
Jesus is Allah
Therefore, God or Petara or Allah is Jesus.
Raban Dayak Baru on January 3rd, 2010 9:23 pm

Arah,

http://www.faithfreedom.org
steelpen13 on January 3rd, 2010 9:26 pm

Ya Allah! (Oh my God!) I read about exposure of our Dayak ministers embarrassing secrets. Wow! How are we to trust them in the next state election to represent us?

Then, I had great input on Biblical knowledge. Some of the contributors are truly knowledgeable in the Biblical sense but some are just simply idiots who talked nonsense. I do believe that many of you are not teenagers hence, stop behaving in such an embarrassing way in front of us, the younger generation.

Next, I salute “batulawi”, “engkerawi” and “Leslie Wan” for daring to voice out the truth! Unfortunately, people like “koko” is purely ignorant about the insecurity faced by non-Muslims in Sarawak should the the implementation of an Islamic State be carried out in Sarawak, Sabah, Penang and Malacca. How can any decision made at the federal level not affecting the people in Sarawak and Sabah? And how can the usage of the word “Allah” be a humiliation to the Muslims in the Peninsular and be an attempt to convert Muslims towards other religions? Are the Muslims in the Peninsular SO insecure about their own conviction and faith?

Then, I also wonder, why does TV3 only telecast the reactions of the Muslims in the Peninsular? What about the people in Sarawak or Sabah? This is because IF and should the implementation of the enactment of such ruling be imposed, then the people of Sarawak and Sabah are the ones affected. Get the opinions of the people who are affected directly and this time do it properly with transparency unlike what happened in 1963 when not all the opinions of the rakyat was taken into considerations before Sarawak was asked to collaborate in the formation of Malaysia.

Finally, the High Court has made its decision. And shouldn’t we respect the decision of the judiciary system? Remember our Rukun Negara, “Kedaulatan Undang-Undang”. I believe we should have a conviction that the judiciary system is above any questioning or isn’t it? And if such judiciary decision can be contested then, what about the third Rukun Negara (Keluhuran Perlembagaan) because the rights of beliefs of the people in the four states are being taken right in front of our eyes.

Many of the local politicians can talk crap because their retirement schemes are secured elsewhere but people like me and you, our children, our grandchildren are the ones affected. Are we going to die peacefully on our last day knowing that we didn’t do anything to prevent the situation? We can all argue but what actions are we taking? I seek for guidance because I know not of what to do next except worry about the gloomy future of non-Muslims in Malaysia and especially Sarawak….
Gerakan Kongress Dayak Malaysia on January 3rd, 2010 9:28 pm

Arah,

http://www.answering-islam.org/
Ugly msian on January 3rd, 2010 9:51 pm

Just a thought to share.
Muslim politicise everything- even religion. Look at them,Rais Yatim himself will appeal against the Hight Court decision. J salang Gandum, the assistant, hello? Nama nadai bunyi ? All kaffirs must remember- Malay muslims are up against kaffirs by means of their religion, language,ketuanan, raja,NEP,AP,etc.Muslims always play political propaganda so that Malays always remain united against the kaffirs!
Prove?
Even in this blog, we can notice those who identified themselves as DL agreed that Christians should be allowed ti use the word Allah.

Anyway,election is the only way to overthrow the present government.The Muslim will not stop at anything to control over all kaffirs!
Manang Empangau on January 3rd, 2010 9:53 pm

Mr Steelopen13,

I see through my batu ilau and I know Jesus so well. His religion is an attempt for the Jews to control the whole world through organised religion and perhaps the other gtoup too. Now, we are dragged on to fight for the term ALLAH for the Isreal and Arab world. Now, we are on jihad/cusade, fighing for the Allah. The verdict was made but there are still dissatisfied humans who do not want to share the Allah. So, how could we be 1Malaysia?
ATASPAGAR on January 3rd, 2010 10:04 pm

# Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 3rd, 2010 6:07 am

Iban Budo. Sapo Agung Malaysia tuk??? Sapo Sultan2 Malaysia ???? Sapo migai printah Malaysia tuk????

You were all sold to the Muslim Malayan Sultans on 16 September 1963 by Temenggung Jugah Anak Barieng, Raja Nyumboh Iban No 1.

Endak pia???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY YOU GUYS SENT RAJA NYUMBOH IBAN NO:1 AS YOUR REP ON SEPT 16TH 1963???I DONT BELIEVE THERE IS NON NYUMBOH AROUND THE STATE DURING THAT TIME?WHERE ARE THE BRILIANT AND GENIUS IBAN THEN???
Papung Unggat on January 3rd, 2010 10:09 pm

“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
AkulahTUHAN Allahmu,yg membawa kamu keluar dari Mesir,keluar dari tanah perhambaan”.
My Lord my God…Tuhanku Allahku…,we never says Tuhanku…Tuhanku…
ATASPAGAR on January 3rd, 2010 10:20 pm

Boleh saya masuk ayat2 Quran ini untuk anilisis Tuan2 semua..janganlah bertengkar lagi..Petara bisi madah dalam Quran..munyi tok meh ayat2 iya..Siapakah orang2 yang kafir itu??.TAK TAULAH,JANGAN TANYA SAYA.tanyalah diri sendiri.Diri sendiri saja boleh beri jawaban,bukan saya,bukan sesiapa,bukan UMNO/BN/PAKATAN atau PASS…bukan juga orang yang mengakui dirinya Islam atau yang bukan beragama Islam..semua kena faham betul2 ayat2 ini.

INI CAKAP ALLAH DALAM QURAN.TIDAK PERCAYA TANYA TUHAN KAMU.
?????? ??????? ??????????? ?????????:

Dengan nama Allah Yang Maha Pemurah lagi Maha Penyayang.

1. ???? ??? ???????? ????????????? Katakanlah: “Hai orang-orang kafir,

2. ?? ???????? ??? ??????????? Aku tidak akan menyembah apa yang kamu sembah,

3. ???? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???????? Dan kamu bukan penyembah Tuhan yang aku sembah.

4. ???? ????? ??????? ??? ?????????? Dan aku tidak pernah menjadi penyembah apa yang kamu sembah,

5. ???? ???????? ?????????? ??? ???????? dan kamu tidak pernah (pula) menjadi penyembah Tuhan yang aku sembah.

6. ?????? ????????? ?????? ????? Untukmu agamamu, dan untukkulah agamaku

SALAM 1 MALAYSIA!
andinggr on January 3rd, 2010 10:30 pm

After reading all the comments above, what i just can conclude that is the word “Allah” just dont belong exclusively to Islam. Is just a word for believers of “Allah”, it may be a Islam or Christian. Why our Malaysian Malays being acting so stupid as if they have no religion at all, including those who call themselves Ketua Agama, Menteri Menteri…its so stupid that you all raise this issue. Other country is laughing at us, dont you realize. At First place this issue should not be an issue, we have been independence since 50 years ago. If Christian wants to use the word “Allah” is because they praise “HIM”, worship “HIM” and Believe “HIM” is’nt that is good and im sure “Allah” will love us all & im sure that God wants people to worship him. I think that some of the Muslim Malays are just too narrow minded & those irresponsible people is taking advantage to make this country into riot.

Think about your children who has been married and converted, thier son in law/daughter in law hated their parents in law because they are Christian that worship “Allah”.

I believe that Herald uses the word “Allah” is not mempersendakan Islam but just praising him. No religion in this world teaching their believers to mempersendakan agama lain.
Leslie Wan on January 3rd, 2010 10:44 pm

Catholics and other Christian denominations in Sabah and Sarawak have been using been using Allah Ta’ala in their native languages and in the Malay languages (in fact Bahasa Indonesia because non English bibles are imported from Indonesia) well before the existence of Malaysia in 1963.

So why did the Home Ministry raised the issue now almost 50 years after the formation of Malaysia? Why not at the negotiation stage of the formation of Malaysia before 1963? Because had the natives known this, we probably would not have joined the other States to form Malaysia.

So assuming that the government appeal against the judgement of the High Court and the outcome is in favour of the government, the effect is that it would be illegal for the natives of Sarawak to use the word ‘allah’ So what do we do? Does it mean that when we pray to god to celebrate child birth, marriage, death and etc we have to tell people not to say allah ta’ala because the BN government doesn’t allow it? Do you think people in the longhouses care? Who is the government to tell us to change of culture?
Allah ta’ala is so much part of our culture and if the government forces us to change our culture so that some Mulsim in West Malaysia will behave, people will resist this and hate the government. Underground activities will begin. What will the government do? Arrest, jail and prosecute the whole village, church or town? Then the government will look exactly like the Zionist regime which we all condemned.

Further, what is the point of having a law which no one respects especially in East Malaysia?

There is nothing in Article 11.4 that say about the use of the word Allah by Christians except that people of other religion cannot convert Muslim into other religions. So all the arguments I read in the web are just fear and circumstantials. I think people should trust each others, the police and the Federal Constitutions on this. Otherwise, there is no longer a point for us all to be united living in Malaysia. The basis of forming Malaysia, that is the Federal Constitution does not work anymore. Let each state go separate ways. No point. We cannot leave with each others anymore.
RentapJabu on January 4th, 2010 12:18 am

I am BN Supporter (Hardcore supporter), but after the issue of “Allah” was raised up..I felt something wrong with BN and UMNO. After they failed to unite malays and muslims then they raised up the religion issue…Now, i have made my desicion to support Pembangkang…NO MORE SOKONG BN, I hope frenz and family out there will do the same..The next State Election (2010/2011)…Kitai Numbang ka TAIB and BN Sarawak..

(Jai2 pembangkang ngelama tok nadai meh ka nukar nama Allah Ta’ala, at least Tudah Nik Aziz @ Tok Guru Setuju enggau pemutus High Court)…Tok Semua Propaganda sida UMNO…

HIDUP PEMBANGKANG…
kuncitmuncit on January 4th, 2010 1:41 am

#Re: Modern Iban Prototype No.1,January 3rd.2010,7.17p.m.

Dear MIP No.1,

I have been following your comments on numerous topics on Dayakbaru and have come to the conclusion that you are an educated,well-informed persona,albeit an ANGRY,… VERY ANGRY,… one.

Angry at the Dayaks,the Ibans to be precise! At times the wrath that you unleashed in this blog are so intense that you ‘sounded’like a raving madman. If you are an Iban,or even a Dayak, dini nuan bulih pengeringat ati ngagai bansa diri baka enggi nuan nya!?

By’sounding’the way you did,what do you intent to achieve? Do you honestly think or believe that you can change their mindset by belittling,by shaming,by calling them ‘monkeys’and ‘nyumbuh’and by hurtful words!? You might as well knock your own head against the wall in frustration!! For you are in for a deep disappointment,..for you will fail miserably. But you will of course succeed enormously in infuriating them,and they(not unlike yourself),would love to see YOU dead.

My advice is: TONE DOWN! If you need them to change their mindset,you need to patiently ‘educate’them,and convince them on politics and the government.Win them with proof,facts and figures. Show them the differences between what is good and bad governance,and where the government has failed or mistreated them. Show them their rights and what is due them as a Malaysian citizen.

But all the time use soft,kind words that our people are known for(despite being decendants of headhunters).

Being well educated,you are definitely needed to serve our people,for our greater and common good. And God will bless you.
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 4th, 2010 4:39 am

Dear KuncitMuncit

For as long as the primitives are broken down by beer and palak babi, For as long as the primitives abuse the right to vote, For as long as the primitives are killing IBAN CHILDREN, I will fight using the WORD.

Modern Ibans Fight using the PEN, Modern Ibans Fight using the WORD, Modern Ibans Fight using the M16s. The Malays are killing my people, the Chinese are killing my people, Sarawak is killing my people. Be that the case, I WILL BURN EVERY LONGHOUSE, I WILL POISON THE RIVERS, I WILL DESTROY THE MOUNTAINS – For my ENEMIES WILL NOT INHERIT ANYTHING BY THE TIME THEY HAVE KILLED ALL MY PEOPLE.

Join Me and Support Taib. Let us teach the PRIMITIVES A LESSON THEY WILL NEVER FORGET. After all, Jabu is on my side, Salang is on my side, Masing is on my side – WE ARE ALL GOING TO KILL THE PRIMITIVES.
Cikgu Iban on January 4th, 2010 7:02 am

MIP # 1,

Like most Ibans, I do share your sentiments. Howewer, I would prefer to have more workable ways to solve our Iban problems.

DAs proposed by Dr John, if managed to be implemented are workable. By calling us, the Ibans as monkeys, will not solve anything at all.

I also prefer you give solutions to our problems, the Iban problems.

Now, the muslims are claiming an exclusive right to the word ALLAH. This has affected the people in Sabah & Sarawak because we have been using the word since before the formation of Malaysia.Even Tun Mahathir is aware of this. How do solve that?.

Cheers…
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 4th, 2010 8:38 am

Let the Malays from Sumatra claim exclusive use of the word Allah. I am sure the Arabs will be pleased, and the Pakistanis and any Muslim in the world today. All the world’s muslims would have to go to Malaysia and ask the Malays permission to use the word Allah.

Typical stupid dumb sumatran malay mentality. No wonder Mahathir sent them to the dark ages in the 70s.
merakat anak Piun on January 4th, 2010 9:05 am

MIP…..you are quite right, Majority of Dayak love how they are, where they are, what they are and so Jabu, Masing, Salang, Manyin, etc.

just see in the coming election, 100% of the Dayak constituencies will support the current gomen…..so dayaks, we are what we express in the election and why not…let support Jabu, Masing,Salang, Manyin and the rest so as to remain where we are.

Happy Dayaklama, Deo, JJ…we don’t want change. We support you.
kuncitmuncit on January 4th, 2010 9:35 am

MIP#1,

Thanks,…but NO THANKS. I will not be a party to the annihilation of these sadly poor,deprived,disadvantaged and(politically)illiterate souls. I fail to see why YOU should want to kill off the very people you seem to want to ‘help’…and need help!

Unlike their educated brethens who live in the cities,who have the opportunity to leave their tiny ‘tempurungs’ to explore and experience the real world and its myriads of peoples,each with their own dreams,aspiration and motives etc,…competing to outdo one another,theirs is the sedantary,laidback lives where every person is blessed with an honest-to-goodness soul,inexperienced in treacherous intentions.

Arguably,they are ‘cheap’. RM 50.00 can buy their vote. Where you wouldn’t have second thoughts in spending RM 50.00 on your kids’ 15- minutes joyride at Gentings Amusement Park,it could bring two week’s meat supply for an average ulu family.(Now please dont talk about ‘nyabong’ or ‘ngirup’).

But to call them ‘nyumbuh’ or tag them as ‘mongkeys’,when fate has dealt them a cruel blow is rather heartless on your part.

They are ‘primitive’in this sense,but thats where educated people like yourself should help them to’open their eyes’.
Ugly msian on January 4th, 2010 9:59 am

Hi Merakat,
Even if you sulk at the idea that Dayaks will return the present gomen in next state election,this will be a no issue anymore because the Malays will use Allah axclusively.They lost much already:
1.The keris is Indon
2.the batik is Indon
3.Wayang kulit is Indian
4.Jubah is Arab
5. Allah is an Iban?

So Merakat,dont take it so hard.
To MIP No.1, sometimes I support you lah!
ALLAH FOR ALL HUMAN on January 4th, 2010 11:40 am

MASALAH “ALLAH” INI ADALAH ACUAN BARISAN NASIONAL(BN).
THIS “ALLAH” CHAOS IS BN GOVERNMENT PRODUCT.
PENUSAH “ALLAH” TU ARI POLISI BN!

VOTE BN OUT – SO RACISME AND TERRORISME!!!!

SARAWAKIAN AND SABAHAN LOVE PEACE LIVES.

SARAWAK AND SABAH – MAY RETHINK “FORMATION OF MALAYSIA”??
John Hock on January 4th, 2010 12:17 pm

Religion provides guidlines for our way of life. There is no religion in this world urge its followers to commit bad deeds. When we talk about Islam / Chritianity / Jews, etc. we talk about the belifs & religions of majority of people in the world. We as human being can’t say that a person is a sinner, “kafir”, etc. because we are not GOD / Allah to judge it. Your belief in Allah and to obey His rules is “ONLY BETWEEN YOU AND GOD”. God determines whether you are a true believer or not. We believe that Allah created the world and everything / every life that occupies the world. Therefore, Allah is the God for everybody, not exclusively for one religion only. In Quran itself said: “Allah Tuhan seluruh alam” = God for everyone / universe. Why can’t the Christians pray in the name of Allah?

In Old Testament / New Testament / Quran ALLAH urged mankind to worship Him. Why those who refer to Quran prohibit others from using the word “Allah”? Even the people in the country of the origin of Islam don’t make such a rude demo-crazy like certain people do in Malaysia. Any descendant of Prophet Mohammad ever made any comment on use of the Allah by Chritians? As far as I am concern, no. Why Malaysian Muslim are so furious when they heard the court’s decision concerning the matter? Are they much better in matters concerning Islam than the descendant of the Prophet?

They are just like you and me, ordinary people. However, they just act to be like Allah to decide what is right or wrong about the use of the name Allah. Is there any hidden agenda? Only the demo-crazy people can answer it. Or perhaps they are taught to be so narrow minded that make them believe that they are the only perfect believers of Allah in this world? Only God knows.

It is true that religion is a way of life, but when people mixed-up religion with politics, business, financial institution, etc. then there is a tendency that the name of God/Allah is being manipulated by mankind to achieve personal interests and it may against the what the religion teaches.

So, Brothers & Sisters in Christian, please be united to face the challenges.

Cheers,

John Hock
merakat anak Piun on January 4th, 2010 12:22 pm

Ugly Malaysia…ha..ha..ha…cannot disagree with you more. For now and ever that’s where we dayaka are and that will make the Dayak lama, KOW, JJ Deo and the gengs the most happy beings in the planet earth. Let them stay happy.
Manang Empangau on January 4th, 2010 12:57 pm

Huh! Antu buyu nyamar diri nyadi petara, nya alai diatu kitai nyau berebut ka ngenamaka petara nya Allah sampai ke deka mai kes nya agai court. Enti baka kelia, kitai sigi belian bebuyuh buyu ngatur penyarut digaga antu nya.
gkm2020 on January 4th, 2010 1:33 pm

Naib Ketua Pergerakan Pemuda Umno Pulau Pinang telah berkata, Pemuda Umno kecewa dengan kelulusan membenarkan majalah Herald-The Catholic Weekly menggunakan perkataan ‘Allah’ milik umat Islam dan bimbang iya akan disalahgunakan majalah berkenaan untuk menyeleweng pengarap Islam di negara ini berbanding sebelum ini mereka membuat pengakuan tidak akan berbuat demikian.

“Pemuda Umno Pulau Pinang tidak bersetuju dengan keputusan mahkamah dan memohon Kementerian Dalam Negeri (KDN) mengemukakan rayuan terhadap keputusan itu,” katanya kepada Harian Metro.

Kenapa tiba-tiba puak-puak UMNO ini cuba menjuarai isu ini sedangkan keputusannya masih belum muktamad? Keputusan adalah dari Mahkamah Tinggi dan belum dibawa kemahkamah rayuan lagi..

Kenapa mereka tidak kecewa bila Najib meluluskan tambahan 10 lagi lesen judi diawal pemerintahannya? kemana mereka-mereka ini menghilang dan kenapa membisu? Sedangkan judi itu nyata Haram dalam Islam.

Dan adakah mereka buta bila suatu awak dulu Mashitah pernah mengatakan melacur itu dimaafkan jika terdesak? Kenapa mereka tidak merasa kecewa dengan fatwa yang dikeluarkan oleh Mashitah?

Sewaktu menjadi Setiausaha Parlimen di Jabatan Perdana Menteri, Dr Mashitah pernah mengatakan bahawa melacur atau menjual diri dimaafkan jika terdesak dan darurat, termasuk demi memberi makan dan membesarkan anak. Pendapat beliau itu disiarkan Harian Metro, 21 Jun 2005.

“Perkara dilakukan dalam suasana darurat terlepas daripada hukuman biasa. Dalam keadaan biasa, memang melacur itu haram. Tetapi jika terdesak dan darurat, iya dimaafkan,” katanya.

Kenapa mereka tidak kecewa dikala Mahathir mencadangkan agar Al~Quran ditafsir semula mengikut kesesuaian masakini. Bagi Mahatir,Islam adalah penghalang utama untuk merealisasikan wawasan sekularnya yang penuh kemungkaran.. Adakah mereka pekak semasa itu?

Tidak kecewakah mereka bila Mahathir menyokong kumpulan antihadis, dengan tidak mengambil tindakan ke atas Kasim Ahmad (yang terang-terang menolak hadis ) malah memberi bantuan pula kepada Kasim Ahmad.Kasim Ahmad bebas menulis diakhbar-akhbar sambil memasukan jarum anti hadisnya.

Tidak kecewakah mereka bila Mahathir memecat kemudian menyelar mufti yang mengeluarkan fatwa yang tidak disenangi olehnya semata-mata kerana tidak mahu melihat bahawa seolah-olah Islam ada kuasa dalam negara yang didakwanya negara Islam ini !

Adakah mereka juga pekak dan buta lalu menyebabkan mereka tidak kecewa ketika Mahathir menghina dan menjadikan sunnah Rasulullah SAW sebagai bahan jenaka . Cercaan ke atas amalan janggut Rasulullah adalah manifestasi kebencian pada chara hidup Rasulullah SAW yang dianggap kolot oleh Mahathir.

Dalam satu ucapannya di JAKIM Mahathir berkata “ Siapa tau janggut Nabi macam mana?.siapa biasa tengok janggut Nabi ..ada gambar ka ? Kita tak tau . Kita tak tau betuilah dia ada janggut?tapi betul ka janggut dia (Nabi)?Di zaman itu..pisau cukur ada kaaa?dia bukan ada Gillette, zaman Nabi ada Gilletteka.?Cakap (menyuruh hadirin cakap) ..Pisau cukur pun tiada awak tuuu ( zaman Nabi ). Jadi masalahnya dia (Nabi ) dok berjalan ke sana sini..naik unta,bukan nak dapat air yang banyak?padang pasir?. Macam-macam lagi tafsiran di beri untuk menidakkan amalan Rasulullah SAW.

Sedangkan Rasulullah SAW pernah bersabda “Barangsiapa tidak suka pada sunnah kelakuanku, dia bukanlah dari kalangan umatku “

Tidak kecewakah mereka dengan tindakan-tindakan dari pemimpin mereka yang jelas dan nyata menolak hukum-hukum Allah?

Kecewa konon… piiirahh!!!
dayaklama on January 4th, 2010 1:52 pm

Everybody know that God is only one.The almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and all living things inside them. So there shall be no other God except one. In the old testament the God, almighty was known as Allah-Taala in iban version. This God who created Adam and Eve and put them in the Garden of Eden and this same God chased them away as they are in the influenced of serpent and eaten fruits from the forbiden tree and this is to be debated again of how the serpent managed to live in the garden of Eden ( supposingly this is holy place ) Did Adam and Eve see God? No they just heard of sound and then the angle escorted them out from the garden of Eden.

Even if you enter the kingdom of God in heaven you shall continue your worshipping of God, meaning you shall never see God in person and let alone to dine together in the same table. God shall no create another God with the same super power as he is. God is light so we shall never see God in person and we can never imagine how he look like.
There are many testimonies by Jesus walk the earth revealing that what he does like resurrection of the death, make blind to see, curing the uncurable diseases is by the power of God and not by his own will but the will of the God.
What make Jesus so special is that he was borned to the earthly mother without a father but all this was by the will of the God. So praised and Glory should be given to one God. So as Adam having no mother and father but God created him from the dust. So as Melchizedek the priest and king of salem borned of no father and mother and no beginning and no end. So who is greater here? Furthermore there is no single word and straight forward explicit explaination that Jesus ever said ” I am God and worship me ”
Judasism,Christianity and islam sharing the same faith i.e worshipping only one God, but the different is Islam shall never admitted that Jesus is the son of God and thus having the same power as God as this is an act of blasphemy.The Christian skepticism like trinity, God the father, the son and holy spirit they are not three persons but one person. Yet in the book of revelation there form of physical persons as decribed like the son sit on the right hand of the father. I am a christian but still committed that there is only one God i.e Allah Taala and ended my prayer by saying all i asked in the name of Jesus as of now. We can go endlessly until cows come home but i stop here first.
kuncitmuncit on January 4th, 2010 2:16 pm

1st.: We urge the Council of Churches to defend the hard-fought-for decision of the High Court and stand their ground.

2nd.: Rather pessimistically,we hope that our Christian ministers and YBs,(after picturing the imminent slide in BN votes in the 13th.G.E),would be able to steer the KDN minister and UMNO away from lodging an appeal.

3rd.: If,in the name of ‘appeasing the Muslim wrath’,the KDN minister and UMNO succeed in up-turning the High Court’s decision,in the n(as is expected),much to the
kuncitmuncit on January 4th, 2010 2:27 pm

continue:

3rd.: If,in the name of ‘appeasing the Muslim wrath’,the KDN minister and UMNO succeed in up-turning the High Court’s decision,(as is expected),then we would venture to summon all non-Muslim voters:Christians,Hindus,Buddhists to rally together and show our displeasure via the 13th.General Election. We would like to see concrete prove of this ’1Malaysia’ policy that has been bandied
around.
Deo on January 4th, 2010 2:48 pm

merakat@opium,

As I said earlier Bukit Aman is still monitoring you comments on this blog and other website.So be mindful of your mouth!!!!
sengkilong wee on January 4th, 2010 3:13 pm

Dear all,

I’m an Iban man and I’m ashamed to read some comments in this issues. Some of the bloggers can’t make a different between God and Jesus. Your comment on this issue, show that some of the bloggers or commenter’s were not a true Christian even though they proclaimed themselves as a Christian. I suggest, if your knowledge was not good enough to elaborate the issue, please stop or don’t send your comment on the issue.

Actually this topic is a great view from gkm2020 and don’t make it as a simple topic. Read it and make it as a guide in our daily life in facing the discrimination from the existing govt.

Where is our voice in this issue from our electives representatives, the Christian ‘YBs’? Where are they? Not even a word from them… What a shame…

Let’s pray, do our routine, as what we have thought by our God (Allah Taala). Amen
Foodchain on January 4th, 2010 4:06 pm

In Islam , it is believe that “Allah” the almighty only God is the creator of all that exist in this world which mean to say ‘Allah’ not just created the muslims but also others who are non-muslims , muslims should encourage the others to acknowledge the existence of “Allah” rather than discourage it or exclude others into “Allah”‘s world of love and mercy. Think about it please ….
educatedasap2010 on January 4th, 2010 4:40 pm

Hi , muslim fren. i am just wondering why you people so arrogant and big headed when others using the word allah? where is one malaysia. Your UMNO PM not barisan nasional PM , just talk only . but still the majority MUSLIM is always being hatered.no wonder those muslims country in any part of this world have no peace, killing here and there,bombing other people in return by doing that kononnya mati shahid masuk surga. what is this? i am not surprise the film 2012 will be reality, as what jesus said before my second return to earth there will turbulent, people will fighting each other, and many more things will happen where we never thought it can be.
come on muslim fren, think positively, go back home ask yourself, am i doing the right things when you have condemm others because this single word The word Allah. for us in sarawak we have been using the word allah since day one we got to know jesus our savior thru missionary from australia, that was 40 to 50 years back. ALL THE CHRISTIAN YB FROM SWK MUST STAND UP AND PUT YOUR WORDS, KENAPA DIAM TAKUT KENA TENDANG TAIB MAHMUD DARI KABINET KAH. if they didn;t make any statement within this one or two days memang sah YB Sabah N sarawak Tidak guna.
Akiq Hawong on January 4th, 2010 5:04 pm

Uchu Sengkilong Wee,

Tentu bisi kebuah ke bukai ga sida ke ka ngemansutka article tu ditu. Ke batang amat, sida ka nemu penemu bala mayuh sekali ke iya nya manah ba nuan tauka jai. Ba kitai, iya jai tang ba urang bukai iya manah. Ba urang kristin iya jai tang ba sida selam iya manah ga.

Ba pengujung pengelikoh tu lagi, tentu bisi siku dua bala kitai kedua ke berambar agi untak nya deka nanchangka tali perau. Ni nemu, sida menteri kitai pen ka meh ngena penemu ke dikumbai tua mapab ditu kena mujuk PM kitai.

Kitai iban adai si leka jaku Allah Ta’ala. Sema bisi pen, angka sida iban nya datai ari menua Arab tauka bisi darah Arab. Enti bisi Iban beidung baka unta, angka purih Arab meh nya.
anakmit on January 4th, 2010 5:37 pm

tu la masa kitai dayak sama ada kerajaan malaysia adil dah tu ila!!!!!!!!!
Manang Empangau on January 4th, 2010 5:45 pm

We don’t have to ‘berebut’ calling God by such name. There are other names that are much better sound and spelling than that. If I want to choose, I would like to call my God….by the name late Mr Micheal Jackson. The name is so handsome but the owner was so ugly that he changed his appearance into a handsome and macho man. When he was his original self, he was never dikerumun indu dara but soon after he metamorphosis, he was adored by many young and old girls including gays and lesbians.

Another good name proposed for God is Mr Tiger Wood. Even a golf stick chased after him and many beauty had admitted openly to have hugged him nights and days. Yeah, he is a star today. He is free to choose any girl he likes without forcing and coercing.

Another names worth mentioning is Mr Evelis Presli or Bon Jovi. I can the London girls were hysteria wanting to shake hands with hin on the street. Many girls also adore the way Mr Evelis danced his own style. Until today, many men love to impersonate as him, even trying to imitate his voice that sounds like a katak dibaroh tachu beras (coconut shell for scooping rice in a jar}.

The choice is yours to choose the name for your God. Let our muslim friends happily call their god as Allah without berebut with us.
uchu keling on January 4th, 2010 5:56 pm

thanks you for this article..love this article and very interesting. whatever happen to me i’m still use Allah Ta’ala in my prayer..because when i’m born that what i’m learn from my father and my mother and Jesus. thanks because i’m still alive using that word in my prayer…ngagai Job ngau aki hwong terima kasih laban bc meri komen agai bala kami ke ngena ayat nya..enti enda nadai urng ga meri pendapat legi..semua pendapat betul nyi enda manah randau kitai legi neh…empa pinang seduai..ai kopi irup dulu ngai ke chelap sebedau seduai mupuk nek uchu….
anak iban on January 4th, 2010 6:10 pm

Anak sarawak,

Salah jako nuan munyi ke dibaruh tu unggal. Nyadi aku ke agi megai pengarap lama berasai bendar ninga jako nuannya. Ukai ka mangkit serta mekit tang meh ta[pis2 mimit meh jako anang tak peneka ati nuan nyebut, engka nuan pan nadai meh lebih ari orang bukai. Ti nuan orang kristian sembahyang meh nuan, tang enda meh ibuh nyebut jako munyi ko nuan di baruh tu. Nasib nuan ennda bejako di mua aku, ti aku ngelala nuan bisi asai nuan bangat kelalu sumbung bejako, ka nuan sapa.
Maioh bala kaban aku cristian nyentuk ka bisi ari sida paderi, tang nadai kala bejako munyi nuan.

“Kitai Iban nama kabuah agi ngena keling, bungai nuing? Tu nama2 ensera/cerita Iban aja.Nadai nama-nama ba nama tu. Kami bansa Iban ka megai pengarap Kristian meri besai terima kasih ngagai Tuhan Jesus laban udah menang ba pemutus kot di KL pasal ngena leka jako “Allah”. Pesan aku nuju semoa kitai Iban badu agi nyembah engkaramba tauka petara bukai laban tu semina munoh semengat kita aja leboh kitai parai ila. Arap meh ka Tuhan Jesus laban Iya aja ulih meri pengidup ti meruan taja pen mati lalu Iya deka ngangkatka semengat kitai ari mati. Di serata dunya semoa mensia arapka ka Tuhan Jesus.Di serata dunya mayuh gereja laban arapka Tuhan Jesus. Tang mensia di serata dunya enda ngelala engkeramba ka disembah aki ini kitai Iban baka keling,Laja, bungai Nuing, laban tu semina cerita anak mit aja.Ingat meh anang ngasoh kitai diperintah antu sitan.
Puji Tuhan.”
anak iban on January 4th, 2010 6:22 pm

leka jako alah taala lama udah dikena dalam kristian nadai sebab sida orang islam enda ngasuh ngena. Lapa enda ari suba deh ti utai tu enda patut. Tu endang sigi ari politik magang.
Jako aja ngumbai ka satu Malaysia, tang tegal seleka jako aja ngasuh sida nyau ringat serta enda puas ati. Lalu empai2…
Ti sema mahkamah tinggi agi ga muka kes tu, sigi amat2 enda patut serta dachin menua kitai sigi bisi berat sebelah.
arah on January 4th, 2010 6:52 pm

John Hock wrote

“Religion provides guidlines for our way of life. There is no religion in this world urge its followers to commit bad deeds…..”

I wish that should be the way but I found the following in the bible:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
Akiq Hawong on January 4th, 2010 7:16 pm

Baru udah ambis kopi aku, Uchu Keling. Aki dek menya pen kumbai kami iban petaha meh amat meh iya tak kah nyeruga ruga mensia ba Batang Panggau.

Allah Ta’ala is for the muslims to call their god in an arabic language. Islam originated in the Arab country so it is original for them.

YWH, Eloi, Elohim, Jehovah, Ancient of Days, Jesus, I AM, Adonai, Abba is the name of the God used by the Isrealites. They are cute names for our God and the God of Isreal. The iban should call their God by the name that the Jews are using and not using any muslim/Islamic term. The ibans are confused by the ones who translated the term God into Malay term. We are very aware that many iban words are similar to malay’s.

Let call God in the way Jesus had called him “Abba, Abba, lama sabatini”

Nyamai agi ngangau ke petara nya APAI laban Jesus pen ngangauka iya nya APAI ga.

Ku sampi Jesus:

‘Oooi Apai kami ba serega, kudus ke nama nuan…..’

Adai si Jesus nyebut leka sampi agai apai iya munyi tu:

‘Allah ba serega, kudus nama nuan…….’

Semina kitai ke enda nemu asal usul leka jaku Allah nya ke hindu nganggau ke petaha nya Allah Ta’ala.

Mupuk aku, ka ngirup sechangkir kopi agi.

Akiq Hawong ke dedungok ba tebing lubok, ngipa indu utai ke terebai ngelimpas pala, ke lauk makai salau lemai tu.
raja merom on January 4th, 2010 7:50 pm

Aya MI,

Setuju aku enggau penemu nuannya. Uji kitai anang berebut enggau bala madi kitai orang Islam. Awakka sida meh ngena nama nya. Nyamai agi kitai nyebut iya “Tuhan” aja awakka nyemetak di dinga(sound very nice and simple) awakka enda saru agi. Kapa kitai ka nunda bala sida Arab enggau Jews nya. Ukai jako kitai tu bisi sama enggau sida. Tambah agi ba rukun negara genteran ke terubah udah nyebut “Kepercayaan Kepada Tuhan”.

Tang enti ka nyebut iya Michael Jackson tauka Elvis Presley, enggai nyadi nya aya. Kumbai orang nyembah mensia kitai lagi.

Mupok aku ka ngirup kopi O dulu.
ATASPAGAR on January 4th, 2010 7:53 pm

Jangan politiking perkataan Allah.Politik dan agama hal yang berlainan.Agama bukan cari pengikut ramai2 tetapi politik mencari pengikut ramai2 kalau dapat 1 malaysia sokong dia.Saya beragama bukan mencari followers.Saya beragama mencari KEBENARAN YANG HAKIKI,THE REAL THRUTHS.Kita tidak boleh ikut juta2 orang tapi kita kena cari Tuhan seorang seorang.Duduk dalam bilik renung kedalam diri..siapa saya yang sebenarnya?Apakah saya sudah jumpa Tuhan yang saya cari?Atau saya belum jumpa Tuhan saya?kalau orang yang sudah jumpa Tuhan dan sudah tenguk Tuhan,mereka tidak bising2 fasal yang tidak penting.seperti berebutkan nama Allah.Kerana dirinya sudah tahu yang buat2 bising ini adalah orang yang tidak nampak Tuhan.Orang seperti ini adalah kumpulan orang yang masih buta.bukan mencari kebenaran tetapi mencari kekacauan atau permusuhan.Tidak ada faedahnya kalau dah bermusuhan kerana benda yang diselisihkan itu perkara yang kurang penting.Apa guna dengan nama Allah kalau tidak tahu atau jumpa Allah itu sendiri.Mana yang penting nama orang atau orang itu sendiri.kalau jumpa orangnya tentu itu satu kepuasan dari setakat tahu nama orang itu.Jumpa Tuhan adalah kekayaan yang seluruh harta langit dan bumi digumpul semua tidak dapat menandinginya.ITULAH KEKAYAAN YANG TULEN DAN SEJATI.walaupun seluruh orang di dunia ini memuji
kamu kalau Tuhan tidak suka kepada kamu pun tiada ada faedah dan untungnya.Walaupun seluruh manusia di dunia ini menghina kamu tapi Tuhan sayang dengan kamu,kamu merasa orang yang paling kaya raya juga.sebab yang Mencipta kamu suka kepada kamu.kerana kamu adalah orang2 yang paling mulia di sisi Allah Tuhan dunia/akhirat.Tapi bukan senang nak capai level itu.Level itu lebih bagus dari jadi kerajaan,ahli2 politik atau raja2.SEBAB DIA KENAL TOWKAYNYA YANG BIKIN DIA HIDUP.
Pengayau on January 4th, 2010 8:34 pm

I have something to share with all you guys here.Taken from MP Khalid Samad Blog

http://takemon.wordpress.com/2010/01/02/allah-what-in-gods-name-have-the-courts-done/#comment-342
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ISU KALIMAH “ALLAH”

Isu kalimah ‘Allah’ kembali mendapat perhatian umum semenjak keputusan mahkamah untuk membenarkan majalah ‘The Christian Herald’ menggunakannya. Ada yang menyatakan saya menyokong malah menggalakkan penggunaan perkataan Allah oleh masyarakat Kristian. Sebenarnya kenyataan tersebut tidak benar. Saya tidak menyokong ataupun menggalakkannya. Saya sekadar menyatakan bahawa penggunaan kalimah tersebut oleh masyarakat bukan Islam merupakan satu perkara yang diharuskan berdasarkan ayat-ayat Al-Quran dan kebiasaan masyarakat antarabangsa, khususnya masyarakat Arab.

Kenyataan saya sebelum ini merupakan ‘a statement of fact’ atau satu kenyataan fakta dan soal saya menyokong atau menggalakkannya tidak timbul sama sekali. Ianya dipohon bukan oleh saya tetapi oleh sebahagian masyarakat Kristian tanpa apa-apa dorongan dari saya. Namun, apabila saya ditanya, saya menyatakan fakta bahawa pada dasarnya tiada halangan untuk orang bukan Islam menggunakan kalimah Allah kerana sudahpun digunakan di banyak negara dan diperakui oleh Al-Quran sendiri. Hujjah-hujjah berhubung persoalan ini telahpun saya nyatakan dalam tulisan saya sebelum ini.

Apa yang saya hendak tegaskan di sini ialah bahawa yang menentukan Islam atau tidak Islam bukan dengan penggunaan kalimah Allah tetapi kefahaman terhadap Allah sebagai Tuhan yang Esa. Ini disebut sebagai konsep ‘Tauhid’. Itulah sebabnya mengapa apabila seseorang memeluk agama Islam dia mengucap “Aku naik saksi tiada tuhan (yang disembah) melainkan Allah”. Ini bahagian pertama dari dua kalimah syahaadah. Ucapan ini berbentuk penafian dan penolakkan akan wujudnya tuhan-tuhan lain selain Allah. Ianya bukan sekadar mengatakan “Allah adalah Tuhan” tetapi lebih dari itu ia juga menolak wujudnya tuhan-tuhan lain. Kalau kita perhati dan fikirkan sejenak dengan mata hati, maka kita akan memahami sebabnya.

Masyarakat Jahilliyah pada zaman Rasulullah (SAW) memang percaya pada Allah. Namun mereka juga percaya pada tuhan-tuhan rekaan mereka sendiri yang mereka dakwa adalah anak pada Allah atau pengantara di antara manusia dan Allah. Termasuk di dalam kategori tuhan-tuhan palsu ini adalah Al-Latta wal Uzza dan beratus-ratus lagi tuhan yang mereka letakkan di keliling Kaabah pada masa itu.

Di antara bukti bahawa masyarakat Jahilliyah menggunakan kalimah Allah adalah dalam kisah surat perjanjian pemulauan kaum Bani Hashim oleh kaum Quraisy di mana akhirnya surat perjanjian tersebut telah habis dimakan serangga. Yang tinggal hanya mukaddimah surat tersebut yang berbunyi, “BismikaLlahhumma” atau ‘Dengan namamu Allah, Tuhan kami’.

Walaupun kaum Musyrikin zaman Nabi (SAW) percaya pada Allah dan menggunakan kalimah ‘Allah’, ini tidak bermakna mereka telah Muslim. Mereka tetap kafir musyrik walaupun mereka percaya kepada Allah dan menggunakan kalimat ‘Allah’. Yang menjadikan mereka musyrik adalah kerana mereka mensyirikkan Allah dengan mengadakan tuhan-tuhan lain yang turut disembah.

Itulah sebabnya apabila seseorang memeluk agama Islam dia menegaskan keEsaan Allah. Dia menegaskan keEsaan Allah supaya membezakan pendiriannya dari mereka yang mengatakan Allah mempunyai anak dan sekutu. Kepercayaannya terhadap keEsaan Allah yang menjadikannya Muslim bukan kepercayaannya terhadap wujudnya Allah semata-mata.

Begitu jugalah keadaannya berhubung golongan Ahlul-Kitab ia itu Yahudi dan Nasrani. Konsep Trinity pegangan orang-orang Nasrani telah pun wujud pada zaman Rasulullah (SAW). Walaupun mereka turut menggunakan kalimah ‘Allah’, tetapi kepercayaan ummat Islam dibezakan dari kepercayaan mereka melalui konsep keEsaan Allah yang dibawa Islam. Banyak ayat-ayat Al-Quran yang menegur kesesatan kepercayaan orang Nasrani yang mendakwa Isa (AS) sebagai anak Allah dan Allah sebagai satu dari tiga. Ini semua ditegur walaupun pada masa yang sama orang Nasrani terus menggunakan kalimah Allah. Di antara ayat-ayat ini adalah Ayat 72 dan 73 Surah Al-Maidah di mana Allah berfirman,

“Telah menjadi kafir mereka yang menyatakan sesungguhnya Allah adalah Al-Masih anak Mariam…” (ayat 72)

“Telah menjadi kafir mereka yang menyatakan sesungguhnya Allah adalah yang ke-tiga dari tiga…”

Dalam kedua-dua ayat ini tidak dapat dinafikan bahawa kaum Nasrani atau Kristian menggunakan kalimah Allah tetapi kepercayaan mereka yang menolak keEsaan Allah menjadikan mereka kafir. Tiada kutukan dari Allah terhadap penggunaan kalimah Allah oleh mereka.

Andaian bahawa orang Nasrani sekarang berpegang kepada konsep Triniti dan orang Nasrani pada zaman Rasulullah tidak dan oleh itu mereka dibenarkan menggunakan kalimah Allah adalah tidak berasas. Ini jelas dari ayat-ayat tersebut yang diturunkan pada masa itu dan menegur kepercayaan orang Nasrani pada masa itu.

Konsep Tauhid yang menentukan seseorang itu Muslim atau sebaliknya. Inilah pada dasarnya yang membezakan Islam dengan agama yang lain. Namun, tidak juga mencukupi dengan hanya itu. Ada juga satu aspek lagi dalam kalimah syahadah ummat Islam yang bererti “Aku naik saksi Muhammad Rasul Allah”. Oleh itu, kalau ada sekalipun golongan yang mengEsakan Allah tetapi menolak keRasulan Nabi Muhammad (SAW), dia tetap bukan seorang Muslim. Termasuk dalam golongan ini kumpulan Qadiayani dan mungkin juga Sikh dan Yahudi.

Berdasarkan penghujahan yang dibentangkan di atas, jelas bahawa masalah kalimah Allah yang ingin digunakan oleh bukan Islam adalah masalah yang diada-adakan. Yang membeza Islam dan bukan Islam adalah konsep Tauhid dan keRasulan Nabi Muhammad (SAW) bukan kalimah Allah. Ini sebenarnya perkara asas dan wajib difahami oleh semua ummat Islam. Dengan kefahaman ini mereka mampu menangkis segala usaha untuk mengelirukan mereka (sekiranya ada) dengan penggunaan kalimah Allah oleh yang bukan Islam. Tanpa kefahaman ini, hakikatnya mereka sudah pun berada di dalam kekeliruan walaupun tiada pihak lain yang menggunakan kalimah ‘Allah’.

Dari sudut dakwah Islamiah, sekiranya orang bukan Islam menggunakan kalimah Allah maka ia memudahkan kita berdakwah kepada mereka. Melalui penggunaan kalimah yang sama ini, iaitu ‘Allah’ kita sudah mempunyai titik pertemuan dari mana untuk bertolak. Ini di dalam Al-Quran diistilahkan sebagai “ila kalimatin sawaain” atau ‘kepada kalimah yang sama’ dan metodologi dakwah sebegini yang telah digunakan oleh Rasulullah (SAW) berdasarkan perintah Allah yang terdapat di dalam Surah Al-Maidah ayat 64.

“Katakan (Wahai Muhammad); Wahai Ahli Kitab, marilah kepada kalimah yang sama di antara kami dan di antara kamu, iaitu kita tidak menyembah selain Allah dan janganlah kita mensyirikkanNya dengan sesuatu…”

Hakikat bahawa hanya ada satu Tuhan yang sama ditegaskan lagi dalam Surah Al-Ankabut ayat 46 yang bermaksud ;

“Dan jangan berhujah dengan golongan Ahli Kitab kecuali dengan cara yang terbaik dan jangan (berhujjah sama sekali) dengan yang Zalim di kalangan mereka. Dan katakan, Kami beriman dengan apa yang telah diturunkan kepada kami dan apa yang telah diturunkan kepada kamu, dan tuhan kami dan tuhan kamu adalah satu, dan kami berserah kepadaNya.”

Sebenarnya isu ini merupakan sesuatu yang menguntungkan ummat Islam. Ia mampu menjelaskan kepercayaan Tauhid yang dibawa Islam di kalangan ummat Islam dan bukan Islam. Sambil itu ia membuka pintu dakwah kepada golongan bukan Islam, khususnya golongan ahli kitab.

Namun ianya sengaja dikelirukan oleh pihak tertentu demi kepentingan politik mereka, untuk mencari titik perbalahan menakutkan ummat Islam dan mengelirukan ummat Islam dengan lebih lagi. Melalui kekeliruan ini mereka akan terus berkuasa, kerana rakyat yang keliru mudah ditipu dan dikuasai.

WaLlahu ‘Alam
KHALID SAMAD
Akiq Hawong on January 4th, 2010 9:36 pm

Aku enda jamin enti kita nganggau ke petara kitai nya Allah ba depan masjid, bisi ari kaban kitai kumbai sida selam nya laut neh! Eik, nama laut nya manggum junggoi ngot deh? Nya alai kitai anang deka sak sak ka rerauh nganggau ke petara nya Allah ba depan masjid. Petara chukup gaga ati enti kitai nganggau ke nama iya ngena jaku iban empu ianya PETARA APAI BA SEREGA. Anng kitai deka ngenfius diri deka manggil petra kitai nya Allah. Ukai nama iya nya enti nitih ke sida Jew tauka Isreal tauka Jesus. Jesus enda kala nganggau ke Apai iya Allah deh.
arah on January 4th, 2010 9:58 pm

Dr Asri says Muslims should not object if ‘Allah’ is used to refer to God
By Leslie Lau
Consultant Editor

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 4 — Influential Islamic scholar Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin stepped into the “Allah” controversy today by pointing out that Muslims should not protest against non-Muslims using the word “Allah” to describe God.

“Man should refer to the one true God as Allah. This proves the teachings of Islam in referring to God as Allah. Therefore all of mankind regardless of their religion should say that Allah has created the world, that Allah tells us to do good and so on.

“These words are the truth. It is not appropriate for a Muslim to protest when he hears a non-Muslim says such things,” he wrote in a posting on his blog today.

Mohd Asri’s remarks come amid an uproar among some Muslims over last week’s High Court ruling that the Catholic church had a constitutional right to publish the word “Allah” in the Bahasa Malaysia edition of its Herald newspaper.

The government has decided to appeal the ruling today, bowing to demands from Muslim groups who say they fear the ruling would result in confusion and that non-Muslims would abuse the usage of the word “Allah.”

Mohd Asri, who is also the former Perlis Mufti, suggested guidelines instead for the use of the word “Allah”.

He said that the word “Allah” could not be used except to refer to the one, true God. Therefore stones or idols could not be referred to as “Allah”.

The Islamic scholar said that if non-Muslims accept that Allah is the one true God and refer to Allah in their worship then Muslims cannot interfere in the matter of other religions.

“Even though in Islam we dispute their faith but the freedom of worship is the right of every religion,” he said.

However, he pointed out that non-Muslims should not be allowed to use the word “Allah” to propagate in such a way which insults Islam, such as to joke or to tease the name of God.

“Non-Muslims should also not manipulate the teachings of Islam by using the word Allah as bait. Action must be taken against such provocative acts,” he said, adding that using the word “Allah” in polite and respectful conversation between Muslims and non-Muslims was also acceptable.

Mohd Asri’s comments come after Father Lawrence Andrew, the priest who edits the Catholic paper, Herald, reassured Malaysians that the church was not on any campaign to convert Muslims.

“There are allegations we’re trying to convert Muslims. We’re not doing that,” Lawrence told The Malaysian Insider in a phone interview this afternoon.

“You cannot use the word ‘Allah’ anyhow. We have to use it accordingly,” he stressed and repeated his earlier explanation from Dec 31, just after the High Court ruled that the Catholic church had a constitutional right to publish the word “Allah” and overturned the home minister’s ban.

http://drmaza.com/home/
Iban Militant on January 5th, 2010 5:06 am

Dont worry if the Christians in Malaysia lose the right to use/ address the name of their Petara “Allah”. If you are truly Christians you should also give away your GOD 2nd name “Taala” to them.

Sometimes we do follow the teaching of Christ, if somebody slap your left cheek you should also give your right cheek as well. And that also happened to us Ibans; we gave our vote to BN and we also surrendered our NCR land to BN. Still not happy BN brought the bulldozers to destroy the longhouses in the daylight right under the nose of Malaysian Armed Forces. The folks could only resist the barbarian acts with their tears. I think that’s the price of being too humble; ANANG NGELABAN PERINTAH. Enti bansa orang nya digaga kenya….udah kaung2 berJIHAD.

Well they may take whatever rights we have on this earth but they NEVER can take the eternal life of JESUS CHRIST Followers.
Akiq Hawong on January 5th, 2010 7:09 am

Everyone should be allowed to called God by any name that he feels good as long as one does not insult God for doing so. One can name his God as Micheal Jackson or Mr Evelis Presley or Bon Jovi or Samaladen or Hussin or Jehovah or Eli or Elohim or Abba or Father or etc etc. The use of one name is really good coz it show that everyone believe in the same God who is an ultimate creator and show the unity of the cittizen. We cannot be so selfish with our God. We must share him with everyone and everyone must allow a free access to him coz we are the product of God’s creation through that one man, Adam. To be greedy with the name is really selfish and fanatical effort in trying to own God for oneself only. God does not like a selfish and greedy person. No room for such person in this world; he will cast into the darkness or perhaps in the hot dark room.

Granddad Toad.
Cikgu Iban on January 5th, 2010 7:13 am

“THE ISSUE IS WHY DO PRIMITIVE IBANS KEEP ON VOTING FOR MONKEY LEADERS???!!! AND WHY MUST THE REST SUFFER THIS BEHAVIOUR??!!!MIP#1.

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Dear DBs and Dr,

Let me repeat, WHY do we, the Ibans sre seen to having MONKEY Mentality and as a result keep on VOTING for the Iban leaders, presumably BN Iban leaders, also having the same monkey mentality?

Is it because of..

1. Pala babi
2. RM50.00 for each Iban vote
3. beers and other drinks.
4. illiteracy
5. only current BN Ybs are too good
6. Ibans modtly not knowing what going on around them.
7. Ibans mostly live in longhouses
8. Tuai Rumahs are easily manipulated by the YBs to support the current govt only
9. Trs in turn deceive the folks to support the govt on;y.
10. Ibans are the poorest community, and relying heavily on the govt MRPs to survive,
11. Iban mentality is that it is not wrong to expect the govt for assistance.
12. Ibans are incapable to care for themselves?

please add to the list MIP#1.

Cheers…
Akiq Hawong on January 5th, 2010 7:23 am

Amat nya Cikgu. Kada enda sida iban nya endang mudah makai pansoh, salai, kasam dagin sida kera sida nyumboh, rasong nya kelalu mayuh deh? Nyau jahan asai perut peruti perut gerami sida nya. Akai dai, enti dipandok ngena rempah china, rempah bakuteh, put don, nadai utai ngenyamai nya. Nyau dalam kuah ba mangkok beligon deh. Mayau mansa pen enda dikiboh ke tudah punggal.

Sida kera nya enti udah ka amat ngelaban, sida sigi enda peduli ke duri pantu, duri nibong, duri laleh, duri semambu deh. Tak nadai duri utai nya ba sida iya. Kada enda bisi kebal deh? Kekadang ba sida ke kulup nimbak, sida kera nya endang kena pending aja; enda laboh ke baroh tang laboh katas ke puchuk kayu kin. Peda iya laboh ke baroh, iya ukai kena timbak tang kena abi ba lubang tumbong alu ka ngabas sapa ke nyerabu sida ngena leka penabol nya.
merakat anak Piun on January 5th, 2010 9:16 am

Deo…the world are moving forward but you choose to stay derrained as you are in your Bukit Aman comfort.
merakat anak Piun on January 5th, 2010 9:21 am

Iban Miltant…well spoken.
Unggal on January 5th, 2010 9:45 am

Despite strong opposition from some Muslims groups, PAS last night decided to back the use of the word Allah by Catholics, saying that it is consistent with the federal Constitution and Islamic principles.
Akiq Hawong on January 5th, 2010 10:14 am

Igat Deo is a dedicated and smart detective, you know?
Anak Sarawak on January 5th, 2010 11:05 am

Tai palat ngaigai orang ke ngelar diri “linut Mulung”. Dik pelaba aku sigi nadai sekula, lalu enda mereti ka utai ka benar. Sapa dik ko nuan ?
Enti dik keling, berapa igi pala pelir udal ulih nuan?
Nuan baka orang kafir sigi ka agi ka pemetang. Lalu dik mantai ka utai ka di tulis nuan enggau buta laban enda nemu ni utai ka amat tauka bula.Aku madah ka dik, beri awak ka Tuhan awak ka muka ati dik sebedau nuan parai.
Anak Sarawak on January 5th, 2010 11:31 am

Orang ka ngumbai diri :Linut Mulung & Anak Iban.
Sapa seduai ko seduai? Pelaba aku seduai nadai sekula nya kabuah seduai enda mereti sekali2 ka pasal reti utai ka ditulis seduai.Seduai baka lalang dipuputka ribut aja.Enti seduai beKeling,bePanggau, nya pengawa seduai lalu anang bejako semina ngasoh orang ketawa rangkai ngeli.Enti seduai dudi awakka terus tinggal dibelakang, lalu ngagai orang Kristian anang enda rajin agi bsemayang ba taun 2010 tu.
Tuhan Jesus Iya bekuasa atas semua utai di dunya tu baka utai idup, nyerayap serta semua jule babas enggau burung.Pesan Jesus, “Anang Takut”.
arah on January 5th, 2010 11:41 am

3:64 (Y. Ali) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah’s Will).

3:98 (Y. Ali) Say: “O People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, when Allah is Himself witness to all ye do?”

3:99 (Y. Ali) Say: “O ye People of the Book! Why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, Seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah’s Covenant)? but Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do.”

5:59 (Y. Ali) Say: “O people of the Book! Do ye disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that hath come to us and that which came before (us), and (perhaps) that most of you are rebellious and disobedient?”

6:71 (Y. Ali) Say: “Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah,- things that can do us neither good nor harm,- and turn on our heels after receiving guidance from Allah? – like one whom the evil ones have made into a fool, wandering bewildered through the earth, his friends calling, ‘come to us’, (vainly) guiding him to the path.” Say: “Allah’s guidance is the (only) guidance, and we have been directed to submit ourselves to the Lord of the worlds;-
2:2 (Asad) THIS DIVINE WRIT – let there be no doubt about it is [meant to be] a guidance for all the God-conscious. [2] –
2:3 (Asad) Who believe in [the existence of] that which is beyond the reach of human perception, [3] and are constant in prayer, and spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance; [4] –
2:4 (Asad) And who believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon thee, [O Prophet,] as well as in that which was bestowed before thy time: [5] for it is they who in their innermost are certain of the life to come! –
2:5 (Asad) It is they who follow the guidance [which comes from their Sustainer; and it is they, they who' shall attain to a happy state! -
2:6 (Asad) BEHOLD, as for those who are bent on denying the truth [6] – it is all one to them whether thou warnest them or dost not warn them: they will not believe. –
2:7 (Asad) God; has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and over their eyes is a veil; [7] and awesome suffering awaits them. –
2:8 (Asad) And there are people who say, “We do believe in God and the Last Day,” the while they do not [really]. believe. –
2:9 (Asad) They would deceive God and those who have attained to faith-the while they deceive none but themselves, and perceive it not. –
2:10 (Asad) In their hearts is disease, and so God lets their disease increase; and grievous suffering awaits them because of their persistent lying. [8] -
Blackcrow 65 on January 5th, 2010 1:28 pm

Ya hoooo!Huray! MCA SOKONG KEPUTUSAN MAHKAMAH – Berita Awani pagi tadi. MCA – komponent parti BN pertama memberi sokongan kepada keputusan Mahkamah Tinggi berkaitan penggunaan isu ‘ALLAH. Rapat Umum Pemuda UMNO dibatalkan. “PUJI TUHAN”
anak iban on January 5th, 2010 1:38 pm

Anak Sarawak,

Nadai sekula enda meh kami mansut ke jako ngumbai pengawa lama nya nyembah engkeramba. Ka nuan pangkat nama enda meh orang bebasa ke nuan ti jako nuan baka ke dalam artikel tu, bakani ko orang enda pedis ati ti jako nuan bakanya.
Enda ibuh ngumbai pengarap lama nya nyembah engkeramba tegal nuan orang kritian. Jako aja nuan tu orang kristian tang agi bejai pengarap orang.
Uji padah ke sapa nuan ti nuan anak lelaki, dini alai bai nuan betemu ngambi tua sama bela nemu sapa pangan diri.
Anastasia on January 5th, 2010 3:17 pm

There will be a new ruling soon coming to govern other things to prevent Muslim from being confused.

For example,

Both Muslim and non-muslim eat chicken. But chicken served by non-muslim may not be eatable by muslim because it is not slaughter according to the Islamic rites.

To avoid confusion to muslims, we soon cannot call this chicken as chicken. We will have to call this chicken pork.

Yes, it looks like chicken, smells like chicken and taste like chicken but it is different and cannot be eaten by muslim.

Pork, whatever it is cannot be eaten by Muslim. So we have to call this chicken pork.

The same for beef, if not slaughter, we may have to call it dog. Or muslim will be confuse and eat it.
gkm2020 on January 5th, 2010 3:30 pm

WORD OF ADVICE WHEN USING THIS WEBLOG:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Please be advised to tone down your “frustration” with “unscrupulous words”. The main issue in this article here is not about “Keling (Urang Panggau) Versus Christian” but “BN-Allah Versus Christian-Allah Taala”.

All comments, critics and recommendations are welcomed but must be constructive, positive and productive with solutions to help resolve our many uncertainties.

If you have nothing to say; just read it and/or leave a simple comment or appreciation “Thank you”.

Please don’t become a “self-destructive community”; that’s our Dayak core weaknesses. We all say ‘others’ divide and rule us but who actually give the “green light” for ‘others’ to come and destroy us; when we are all weak?

This weblog is not exclusive to Dayak communities but to other races and worldwide.

Whenever you leave a comment in this blog and/or article, you are kindly advised to carefully write down your comment with positive thinking and not blindly “wording” or “blaming” or “pointing-finger” on other bloggers with your nasty dirty words.

Though we believe in Openness and flexibility but that doesn’t means Ones can simply jump on others head.

Come on….lets enhance your social self-discipline, as we are all adults and educated people here. Think wisely before your list down your comments.

For any “unscrupulous words” found in the near future, the moderators of this DB Weblog without hesitation will block and/or delete all your non-productive or negative comment here.

Uji berandau ngau manah kitai ba ruai DB diatu enti kitai sebansa bisi ngemuan adat Iban/Dayak serta pengarah Kristian.

God bless you and us all to overcome these new challenges.

Thank you
Antubaruhdagu on January 5th, 2010 3:48 pm

Salam 1 malaysia ngagai semua kita ti meri komen senentang siti perkara ti ulih nyadi kontroversi d
dalam malaysia.

Maioh antara sekeda komen ti diberi cukup angat tang
enti diperati ke,sigi amat baka perkara ti dipejurai ke kita semua.Ketegal siti nama ALLAH satu malaysia udah capuh baka rauh.Dipelaba ke aku,menua bukai pan sama merati ke bakani meh pengujung pemutus kontroversi tu ila.
Tang,bakani kati ko penyadi ia pagila lusa,kitai ti bepegai ba pengarap kristian patut meh bersabar.Anang kelalu nitih ka ati lebuh bejaku laban semuanya tau nyadi ke dosa kitai.Tuhan kitai ukai mantai ka kuasa ia ba nama,tang Tuhan kitai dalam ati.Pia mega ngagai semua kitai iban anang majak bekerakar besaruk penemu enggau diri sama diri ketegal utai tu. Baka unggal Anak Iban enggau Anak sarawak,nama guna seduai becekal ketegal utai tu.Enda milih nama jalai pengarap kita,bebasa ke pangan diri.Anang kitai ngemaruh tauka ngemeli ka pangan diri.Kitai tu sama bansa iban.Ambi ke cunto,aku tu megai pengarap kristian tang apai indai aku megai pengawa iban,miring ti lebuh begawai lalu semua pengawa bukai dikereja ngena adat iban suba.Aku tu bersembahyang ke gereja maia gawai lalu nyambut krismas lebuh datai maia ia.Tang,nama kebuah kami sebilik enda carut,enda tusut?Laban kami bebasa ke pangan diri.

Lengka ke aku dulu pejurai senentang nya,arap ke unggal anak iban enggau anak sarawak udah chelap dalam ati.
Akiq Hawong on January 5th, 2010 4:27 pm

Apoo..anang balat belaya pasal Allah ditu Igat Anak Iban, Linut enggau Anak Swk. Anang ga ngumbai urang nyembah engkeramba. Ba gereja katolik mayuh amat engkeramba Jesus. Tang semua mensia sigi nyembah engkeramba baka engkeramba pala agung, pala presiden. Nya meh engkeramba ke ngasoh urang balat belaya, balat ngerumpak enggau ngeragut, mechahka cheremi kereta, balat mamau, balat gila mabuk kuasa enggau badu badu nyadi tuai. Engkeramba roh pen bisi tau ngasoh tesat hunding ga. Badu belaya enggai ke didinga antu buyu.
Manang Empangau on January 5th, 2010 5:36 pm

I love this weblog though there are many kinds of ideas and expressions. Some of us are ‘selamba’ while others are hostile and aggressive. Yeah, nyau baka Igat Bom Mutar enggau MP ari Kelate siku nya ba Parlimen ga kitai ditu. Nyau rerauh sampai ke ragok, rapas jaku bedebat din. Nyamai amat Igat Bom nya ngimbit utai ke biak 20 taun ari iya. Ah! Tengok amat aku ke tuai tu meda neh! We are like in the Parlimen Malaysia environment, aren’t we? Aku enggai ga ka nganu sida ke aggressive nya beamai amai. Kapa sida iya enda ngelepaska geram ditu. Ukai nya ulih bebukot ngasolka jari lima ke ngenggam sida nya ditu. Tak nyau baka ke bukot roh jai meh sida nya deh. Lakka aja meh sida nya Igat. Nemu iya ngemaduka diri enti udah puas tauka semua utai ba pala udah pansut tauka udah meletop baka bom.

Manah penemu sida Igat ditu. Thank you.

Manang ke bau chinat, Empangau.
merakat anak Piun on January 5th, 2010 10:21 pm

Amat jako dik kaban Akiq Hawong…, Igat Deo is a smart and dedicated detective. Ngiga idup, kati deh?

To our own little people, he uses all the forces of law but to those who really suck us all…he will say ok…because they follow the law. Alasan!!!!
arah on January 5th, 2010 10:36 pm

My dear bloggers

Can be called the God in the bible as Allah?

Let us compare the Almighty God in the Quran vs the God in the bible.

Almighty God in the Quran
2:255 (Y. Ali) Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
YUSUFALI: (he is) the creator of the heavens and the earth: he has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does he multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto him, and he is the one that hears and sees (all things).Surah 42:11

Let us study the God in the bible

God had finished the work by the seventh day, so on the seventh day he rested
Genesis 2:2

By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
The seventh day is holy because on it God rested from all the work
Genesis 2:3

And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
The Lord rested on the seventh day and blessed it and made it holy.
Exodus 20:11

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The Lord abstained from work and rested.
Exodus 31:17

It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.’
the Lord our God rest upon us
Psalm 90:17

May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon us; establish the work of our hands for us- yes, establish the work of our hands.
On the seventh day God rested from all his work
Hebrews 4:4

And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”

OOOp God in the bible rest on the seventh day???

Allah never ever rest.

Surah 50:38
SHAKIR: and certainly We Created the heavens and the earth and what is between them in six periods and there touched us not any fatigue

PICKTHAL: and verily We Created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days, and naught of weariness touched Us.

YUSUFALI: We Created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.

More about God in the bible

“And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the son of man had built. And the Lord said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they can do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down; and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the earth, and they left off building the city. Therefore its name was called bable, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.”
Genesis 11:5-9.

For more references

http://www.evilbible.com/May.htm#May 6
http://www.submission.org/god-bible.html

Happy reading
Cikgu Iban on January 6th, 2010 7:11 am

“Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 4th, 2010 8:38 am .

Let the Malays from Sumatra claim exclusive use of the word Allah. I am sure the Arabs will be pleased, and the Pakistanis and any Muslim in the world today. …..” MIP #1.

………………………………………….

Dear fren,

If by letting the Malays from Sumtra tu to have EXCLUSIVE right to use the word ALLAH,then substantial parts of the Dayak Iban problems are going to solved, so be it, man.

If by letting the Taib govt and the malays to use the word ALLAH, all our Ibans are no longer considered as MONKEYS, so be it man. Go for it, if by doing so, every Iban is considered MODERN.

Cheers…
Manang Empangau on January 6th, 2010 7:37 am

Uchu Arah,

Do you realize that God only created Heaven and Earth? That means, God did not create other planets eg Venus, Mars, Uranus etc etc including those billions of stars and planets in the universe. I think, God created the heaven would mean God created the universe and it components (stars, sun, moon, etc). When Jesus resurrected, he simply disappear in the cloud and into the space/sky. If they were to include the creation of everything in this universe, it would definitely took ages for God to create them and not in just six day only. This is a fairytale only, Arah. I mean, it’s just to explain it in a simple layman story. You know, the Jews at that time were not well-versed on how this world and the universe were created in details. The Jews also think that night and day were created in a simple layman manner. The fact that day and night were created in such a manner that the spherical world rotates on it axie and then move round the sun. The sunlight is the daytime while the shadow is the darkness/night andf the moon only recweive reflection from the sun and the moonlight reflect back to the earth, if it is in the right position.
Dyaks on January 6th, 2010 1:22 pm

The more UMNO wrangled this Allah case further, the more foolish UMNO will looks like.

The usage of Allah word for Herald newsletter only LIMITED for it’s BM version for within Herald subscribers only, not meant for outside circulation. The fear of Herald subscribers deliberately circulate to Muslims outside and confused their ‘akidah’ is simply UMNO falsehood. This got nothing to do or to fear with Christianity spreads out to Malays. If spreading one religion upon another by mistake or pre-planned then look no further to Islamisation tricks by UMNO to Orang Asli whether it is by mistake or pre-planned hidden agenda.

Dayak Christians use ‘Allah’ word because only Bahasa Indonesia version of Al-Kitab/Bub Kudus/Holy Bible were readily available and similar vocabulary to BM language, since BM version of Holy Bible was either not allowed, delayed or ignored at all. And most Dayaks only well versed in BM under a sick education standard devoid of English proficiency otherwise English Bible is all we need the most. Whose evil policies behind this sick education agenda double-standards on BM over English? All of you BN-lovin’ goons (like Dayaklama etc) now tell us Dayaks if it’s not BN UMNO all these while make our lives difficult. It’s BN UMNO wish to promote BM but not willing to compromise the ‘Allah’ word even it is clearly a limited Christian-only publication in BM. WTF lah!

Dayaklama: “…Everybody know that God is only one.The almighty, the creator of heaven and earth and all living things inside them…” “…What make you think that Jesus is God?…”<– ZzzZzzZzz!

So Dayaklama speak about God yeah? Hahaha, look at you Dayaklama still don't want to admit what and how UMNO pissed us Christian, Dayaks alike. Wag your tail to please UMNO and talk about God? Pathetic joke! This Allah case will only make Dayak BN supporters stucked their head in the sand like a bunch of fools by UMNO.

You and the rest of BN Dayak leaders now really screwed-up inside BN UMNO unable to fight for Dayaks, Christians in times like this. Projek BN juta-juta first, Dayak last? Piss off lah. You want to talk God? 'Man don't survive on bread alone' – is that not Jesus Nabi Isa taught us all as to live but for rasuah money only, no? Go figure lah Dayaklama maybe you got different God of fortune eh?

You hear that Dayaklama? Stop your chants on God lah. It's all fake and phony. Better stop support BN that's a great favour for Dayaks, you fool! In fact the more you talk about God the more comedic it's gonna be. Bet your arse if UMNO asking you to translate Iban Al-Quran you're the first Yes-Man to pop up. Suck that!

FROM NOW ON ALL DAYAKS BALA KABAN – STOP VOTING BN! ANANG NGUNDI BN AGIK! DON'T BE PISSED BY BN UMNO LAH!

FROM HERE DAYAKBARU ALL OF YOU DAYAKS HERE SPREAD THE WORD TO EVERY NOOKS AND CORNERS WHEREVER DAYAKS MAY ROAM – STOP VOTING BN!
Antubaruhdagu on January 6th, 2010 6:54 pm

I agree with GKM 2020 regarding the topic that we has been discuss in this blog.Why another guys trying to fight each other on out of topic of discussion?What are they trying to do?I’m fully not understood at all.Did you know the real topic is in between muslim people and non muslim,it’s us!So stopped from saying or writing useless words.Think it positively guys!!
Manang Empangau on January 6th, 2010 7:08 pm

Hi Tuan Arah,

Therefore, according the Bible and Koran, it looks like both God and Allah created Heaven and Earth. So, they are definitely the same God. Yes, there’s nothing wrong calling god as God or calling god as Allah. But now, I remember and have realized that you don’t believe the Bible so God and Allah are entirely different deities in Heaven.

Uchu Antubaruhdagu, if that’s your opinion, people don’t need to give views/opinions here. Let Dr JBA and gmk2020 alone write here giving a one-sided opinion since other people ideas or opinions are not wanted. For me, I love all kind of opinions expressed here. Be liberal. I know some people love boring topic and prefer to keep quiet but there are some people who are like burong Murai.
Anyap cikgu on January 6th, 2010 9:26 pm

Nya! Nyamai? heh…..
Anyap cikgu on January 6th, 2010 9:32 pm

Ni nya ka bakanya wai. Enti nuan nemu maca,kati bisi nuan tetemuka ayat samada dalam AlQuran ataupun dalam Injil,bisi ka enda ia nyebut ALLAH exclusively for the Muslim? Enti bisi syer kitai sekaban. Wait 4 the next state election ,wai. You can always fool the people but noat all the people.Just wait and see.
kenyalang on January 6th, 2010 10:14 pm

ngagai dayak semua…
ya ka agi megai adat lama…x salah tau trus pegai..
ya ka udah kristian pan pajak ka megai religion sbg kristian…

x ibuh ka belaya…tu mina mecah ka bngsa…
udah ga kritian x ulih ngena nama Allah…
sida ka agi megai adat lama ang ransi..ti nyema sida iban bukai udah masuk kristian…
bekanya mega sida ka kritian…begulai serta berserakup meh dlm semua pngawa….

ingat..semua bc sekeda bala ke komen ditu ka mechah ka kitai dayak..sekeda nya ukai dayak tang nemu bejako iban…..
gkm2020 on January 6th, 2010 10:17 pm

Unggal Manang Empangau sereta bala kaban ba ruai ditu,

Tambi basa ngagai bala kitai semoa.

Nadai kami ngano tauka nagang kita berandau ba ruai ditu tang anang meh kelalu ga sampai besebut ka utai “kamah” (men private organ)….berandau meh enggau manah anang sampai belaya.

Nadai guna meh kitai belaya sesama bansa diri laban hal urang bukai “ngemeli” sereta “ngemedis” ka ati kitai ka tegal “Allah” tauka “Allah Taala” nya ukai Tuhan kitai Kristian.

Nadai bansa dalam dunia tu diberi exclusivity ulih Tuhan; not even Jews, Iban or Malays.

We should respect and honor our “Federal Constitution and Rukun Negara” if we believe in 1Malaysia.

Terus ka aja meh randau kitai enggau manah sereta begulai/beserakup meh enggau manah; beri meh penemu enggau manah & lebih produktif awaka kitai sama-sama ulih belajar ari pangan diri…tau gering ka bansa diri. In knowledge there’s no exclusivity too!

This weblog is open to all. We loved liberalization and we believe in open democracy. Cheers fellows!

God bless you all. Thanks be to Allah Ta’ala!

Nya aja madi/wai.
gkm2020 on January 6th, 2010 11:20 pm

1 Malaysia mired in ‘Allah’ debate
By G. Manimaran

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 6 – The fiery “Allah” debate has become a major road-bump to Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s 1 Malaysia campaign, three months shy of its first anniversary.

Opinions in the multiracial country have been sharply divided in the aftermath of the Kuala Lumpur High Court’s Dec 31 ruling that Catholic weekly Herald may use the term “Allah”.

The government has just won a stay of execution of the ruling after the Roman Catholic Church agreed not to object out of “national interest”.

“This issue is becoming a major challenge to the prime minister,” said Dr Ahmad Nizamuddin Sulaiman, who is Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia Political Science and Strategic Studies senior lecturer.

“This is why, while he has said the government will appeal the court decision, he himself has been non-committal.

“He is obviously looking for a solution which does not upset or discomfort any party,” the academician said when contacted by The Malaysian Insider.

Najib has been relying on 1 Malaysia as his main platform to lead the country, with the slogan “People First, Performance Now” after assuming office last April 3.

Relating to events in the last nine months, including the infamous “cow-head protest” in Shah Alam, Ahmad Nizamuddin explained that the latest issue should not be seen as the failure of 1 Malaysia but rather “a challenge in the refining” of his campaign.

“Very difficult … its success now depends on the decision he makes. The prime minister is in a tricky situation.”

Ahmad Nizamuddin said Najib, when he finally reveals his position, can be seen as being a defender of the faith by the Muslim, or inconsistent to his 1 Malaysia by the non-Muslims.
Last Sunday, Najib asked for calm from Muslims following the court ruling.

He assured everyone that the government knows the sensitivity of the issue to Muslims and pledged that his administration would handle the issue delicately.

The Cabinet met today for the first time this year and just after the controversial ruling.
Universiti Sains Malaysia political analyst Associate Professor Dr Sivamurugan Pandian concurred that the issue is a test for Najib, and his reaction will impact his popularity.

“He has to heed the will of the majority and this will affect the political scene,” he said, adding that Najib has taken early measures in submitting the appeal and asking for an audience with the Agong.

Sivamurugan said since various groups are exploiting the situation for their own political interests, the authorities should look at the issue from its source and explain better to Muslims and non-Muslims alike about their rights in the context of this development.

Separately, founding director for Institut Kajian Etnik Professor Datuk Dr Shamsul Amri did not see the situation as being crucial to the success of Najib’s 1 Malaysia.

He believed that the issue has heated up only because of the general ignorance of the country’s history among the public.

“This is about historical ignorance … not a test of 1 Malaysia,” he said, stressing citizens had to look at the country’s prevailing culture and politics.

He felt, however, that the authorities should hold dialogues and discussions with various religious and ethnic groups.

Gerakan president Tan Sri Koh Tsu Koon felt there was a need to look for a win-win solution.

The minister in the Prime Minister’s Department in charge of national unity wants calm and openness in the process of looking for an amicable solution.

“I understand the Bumiputra Christian communities in Sabah and Sarawak have been using the term ‘Allah’ prior to independence, as have Sikhs in their holy book.”

Koh therefore did not see it as a new phenomenon or as an attempt to confuse or convert Muslims.
“The fear … (over) using the term in a Christian publication confusing Muslims, has to be engaged constructively,” he said, adding, “further, is it unlawful to steer a Muslim away from his or her faith.”

Info
arah on January 7th, 2010 12:50 am

My dear Manang Empanga

There is only one God the Creator.

21:22 (Y. Ali) If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

And the Almighty Creator does not rest and sleep as written in Genesis.

Do you want to serve the God that rest and sleep as written in Genesis?

Let us believe and serve the God of Abraham, Moses,Jesus and Muhammad as written in the Quran.

2:255 (Y. Ali) Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

2:256 (Y. Ali) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Let us study how Almighty God the Creator or Allah Ta’ala created the Universe

THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE

Edwin Hubble with his giant telescope

In the Qur’an, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described in the following terms:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur’an, 51:47)

The word “heaven,” as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur’an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Here again, the word is used with this meaning, stating that the universe “expands.” The Arabic word “moosiaaoona” in the term “inna lamoosiaaoona,” translated into English as “it is We Who are steadily expanding it”, comes from the verb “evsea,” meaning “to expand.” The prefix “la” emphasises the following name or title and adds a sense of “to a great extent.” This expression therefore means “We expand the sky or the universe to a great extent.” This is the very conclusion that science has reached today. 1

Georges Lemaitre

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that “the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time.” However, modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly “expands.”

At the beginning of the 20th century, the Russian physicist Alexander Friedmann and the Belgian cosmologist Georges Lemaitre theoretically calculated that the universe is in constant motion and that it is expanding.

From the moment of the Big Bang, the universe has been constantly expanding at a great speed. Scientists compare the expanding universe to the surface of a balloon that is inflated.
This notion was confirmed by the use of observational data in 1929. While observing the sky with a telescope, Edwin Hubble, the American astronomer, discovered that the stars and galaxies were constantly moving away from each other. This discovery is regarded as one of the greatest in the history of astronomy. During these observations, Hubble established that the stars emit a light that turns redder according to their distance. That is because according to the known laws of physics, light heading towards a point of observation turns violet, and light moving away from that point assumes a more reddish hue. During his observations, Hubble noted a tendency towards the colour red in the light emitted by stars. In short, the stars were moving further and further away, all the time. The stars and galaxies were not only moving away from us, but also from each other. A universe where everything constantly moves away from everything else implied a constantly expanding universe. The observations carried out in the following years verified that the universe is constantly expanding…

http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_02.html

Selamat
Ugly msian on January 7th, 2010 7:11 am

Congratulations to John toilet Jamban busuk and Dayak enda Lama.

Christians once and for all cannot use the word Allah and Malays are allowed as they like to do road demos even without police permit when they are not happy.
Congratulations once more.!!

PS. Are you happy now?
Manang Empangau on January 7th, 2010 7:17 am

Selamat pagi wai Madi Arah,

You said:

Do you want to serve the God that rest and sleep as written in Genesis?

Let us believe and serve the God of Abraham, Moses,Jesus and Muhammad as written in the Quran

ME:
That’s too philosophical to say God in the Genesis did rest and sleep, madi. I think God was too tired after creating an infinite universe and billion of stars and planets including huge creatures such dinosaur, blue whale, huge seqouia trees, etc. When God relaxs, the universe stop operating and the earth stops rotating and moving round the sun. But then, he has created the natural force that allow it to follow principle or law of physics so everything can be under control and in harmony with what God had intended them to be. So, God can have a good rest or a good night sleep or can boost with some that raise his spirit for the next day.

Abraham, Moses,Jesus and Muhammad were actually talking and refering to the same God who created Heaven and Earth except that God of the Jews knows how to spend his time well after a hard day work. So, in that sense, he encourage to do the same. Humans must not stree himself to much until no time for himself, having good rest or good night sleep.

Personally, I don’t think the universe ever continued to expand ever since its’ first creation. God simply created it with infinite size. It’s our thought or mind that think it’s always expanding. But, it that happens, that means the universe has a finite size and God continue to enlarge this universe. I think, according to Mr George Lamairte, the universe that is slowly expanding proves that the universe has a finite size. Meaning to say, this universe is just like another globe/balloon floating in another space.

ME
Modern Iban Prototype No 1 on January 7th, 2010 7:52 am

It’s very simple. What if 800,000 Ibans Islamise? That would be the end of the Sarawak Malays, that would be the end of the Melanaus, that would be the end of all the other clowns, Bukitans, Serus, Tanjungs, Miriks, Sagans, Ukits, Punans, Jabus, Saribas, who Islamised before.

The Malay from Malaya would still discriminate the Muslim Iban. And in fact, that would upgrade it to ethnic discrimination.

Let the Stupid Malayan take ownership of the Arab language. Let us see what happens. Let them do it.
Deo on January 7th, 2010 8:58 am

To, the two “talk but no action Doctors” (JBA/2020kilo)

Demonstrations are being planned by Muslim-based political parties, non-governmental organisations and student bodies to denounce a High Court ruling which declared that the Catholic Church’s weekly paper could use “Allah” to refer to God.

The big question mark: Will the two “non-action Dr.” plan a demostrations for DB in support of the court ruling? Will they chicken out or hide in interior Belaga? Will they demonstrate once more that they may ve plenty of ideas but never practical?
orang kuching on January 7th, 2010 10:18 am

DEO – nuk apa udah di polah u? Dr ada juak molah blog – apa hal Dayak Deo tuk dengki dengan Dayak yang ada kaliber.

Kedak tu ni mau maju bangsa Dayak. Sokong aja kamek orang kuching menerusi PBB – supaya kamek lebih terus berkuasa dalam kerjaan.

Nuk DEO tu, makan gaji aja lah. Dr dua orang ya sama beduit sik makan gaji dengan kamek.Harus lah sidak dedua tu boleh memimpin Dayak.

DEO diam aja, malu kamek orang Kuching PBB maca tulis kita’ ya.
Blackcrow65 on January 7th, 2010 12:24 pm

15 Reason – Why so sensitive about “Allah” & Yet’s they still commits many sin that we know recently:

1. Incident of Bloody slaughter among themselvse.
2. Mufti taking bribes were caught.
3. Army officers involved in selling jet engine.
4. Girls or Women became GRO or prostitues.
5. Boys or Men taking drugs or alcohol.
6. Father or Uncle rapes their sibling or nephew.
7. Gambling at Lottery outlets or cock fighting.
8. Officer taking brides or hampers or get sponsorship during Raya.
9. Power crazy officer.
10. Still practising Bomoh.
11. Cheating.
12. Double standard in welfare, promotion or business deal.
13. Lazy at work.
14. Dengkism attitude.
15. Penghasut or Batu Api.

Are this Halal or Haram? Think before critic others.
semada api on January 7th, 2010 3:54 pm

Anak Sarawak,

Enda ibuh nyebut pasal kristian serta sembahyang meh nuan. Jako nuan dalam tu udah chukupo nunjuk ke nuan tu ukai orang mereti serta ngembuan ajal sembahyang. Bisi lebas ti ka enggau orang betalat ditu tang anang munyi ko jako nuan enggau unggal linut mulung enggau anak iban.
Ukai seduai ke patut malu serta enda nemu utai tang meh nuan ti balat agi tinggal dibelakang serta enda nemu utai.
triple-kkk on January 8th, 2010 9:28 am

[QUOTE]
Allah – The one God, not a god, not exclusively Islamic, as the definition above fallaciously claims. Allah is the only God, the god of all three Abrahamic faiths. “Allah” is the Arabic word for “God”.
[UNQUOTE]

“Allah” is the only God, the God of all three Abrahamic faits – is correct. But, “Allah’ is the Arabic word for “God” is incorrect. Allah is the GOD for all three Abrahamic faith.

[quote]
Islam is a monotheistic religion in which the supreme deity is Allah (God, the same God worshiped by Christians and Jews) and the chief prophet and founder is Mohammad. Followers of Islam are called Muslims.
[QUOTE]
Muhammad is the the chief prophet nor founder (u cant give any terms you like).. Muhammad is the Messengar of Allah. Abraham, Jesus, Moses also the messenger of GOD with their own holy books of Islam teaching. GOD never change the religion (isnt that logic?), it was Islam since Abraham. Judaism or Christianity was never named by the respective prophets. The name was given by the follower. Only during Muhammad time he declare, the teaching as Islam

- One Message – One God -
Antubaruhdagu on January 8th, 2010 8:58 pm

TERGEMPAR-TIGA BUAH GEREJA DI SEKITAR LEMBAH KLANG DISERANG LALU DITUNU>

Ngelama tu kitai semina nyangka bala islam tunjuk perasaan secara aman aja…
Tang diatu ,it’s more worth than we thinking before.Sampai ke gereja ditunu sida ia.Sinu amai meh aku meda tempat kitai ngeyemak ke diri empu enggau Tuhan kitai digaga bakanya.

Tang sapa meh aku ti ulih bejako madah ke pemedis ati?
Kitai tu enda salah baka sempama lari ke sungkup tetemu ke pendam,lari ke kudi tetemu ka ujan.
Bakani kati ko kitai kristian ngaga protes secara aman,enda meh dipeda sida ia.Tang enti kitai ngaga endur sida sembiang bakanya,kada enda sampai ke lubang cacing polis ngiga kitai….

Kasih meh kitai bala menyadi dalam Kristus digaga bakatu.Sama sama meh kitai bersembiang ngambi ka penyarut tu enda ngerekai majak besai ngujong ke kitai enggai belaya besai…
Janggal on January 10th, 2010 2:33 am

The corruption of Allah by the earlier religion (jews and christian) to mean god has partners cannot be allow after Islam.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.
Manang Empangau on January 11th, 2010 6:09 pm

Nyau lesap kini kati meh Igat Ibanimmigrant ke bendar amat belaban maya kayau ba menua LA menya deh? Kada enda udah kena salai pala iya tauka nyau semampai bejalai telanjai ngulu jalai LA kin deh! Bah! Lapa enda ngesah kitai ke benung berebut ke nama Allah? Tauka ngerara api tugong pandok ke mau amai dituchoi sida sitan maya ari ujan tu deh?
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 9:51 pm

Setelah tahun 381, umat nabi ISA alaihissalam telah meyimpang jauh dari agama tauhid. Muhammad membawa kembali kelandasan yang betul. Dari itu Allah hanya untuk agama tauhid.

Kalau silap pun, itu silap pengikut kristian yang murtad dari pegangan agama. Kenapa setelah murtad mahu memakai nama Allah sedangkan Allah itu sendiri telah memberitahu tentang dirinya;

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.

The Councils of Nicea and Constantinople took place in 325 and 381 C.E., respectively. At the Council of Nicea the nature of Jesus was determined to be of the same substance (homousios) as the Father, and at the Council of Constantinople this doctrine was ratified and the doctrine of the Trinity was expressly declared to be a foundational church teaching.
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 10:02 pm

Did Jesus claim divinity?

http://invitation2learn.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/did-jesus-claim-divinity-part-1-examining-the-four-gospels/
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 10:07 pm

Did Jesus Claim to be God?

http://www.outreachjudaism.org/claimgod.html
MJC on January 12th, 2010 10:08 pm

Tabi Kaban Bloggers,

While the “ALLAH” issue remained outstanding the NCR land issue is more or less resolved. Today Dayaks Paramount Chief paid out RM3.3 millions to 231 landowners affected by six projects in Betong. So who dare now say the NCR land owners are not being compensated?

In fact since 1974 the BN gomen had paid compensation to the tune RM44 millions to landowners in Betong alone.

The payment of compensation to landowners was proof the BN gomen was fulfilling its part of the bargain. So who dare say BN don’t keep to its promises?

On the Allah issue, Dayaks Paramount Chief informed that he has written a letter to Najib for a solution to the matter.
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 10:38 pm

Paul a Liar?

http://www.voiceofjesus.org/pb2chapter9.html#Paul a Liar?
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 10:39 pm

Paul’s Character

http://www.usbible.com/Paul/pauls_character.htm
Manang Empangau on January 12th, 2010 10:44 pm

Amat pama dek neh Igat Janggal. Dek aja ke amat. Paul ke dulu idup 2000 taun dulu ari nuan pen nemu iya nya pemula neh!! Janggal amat anak penemu dek nya neh! Amat ga munyi ku nuan. Ngah aku ke manang tu ga ulih nyuman sida ke sakit, ulih ngabas sida ba sebayan din, ulih meda sida antu raya, antu buyu, sida sitan etc. Kekadang aku ngerayap ba atas ai. Bah! Nyau sebaka enggau Jesus meh aku tu tang aku enda ngaku diri the only to the Heaven baka ke diaku Jesus. Sapa mensia pemadu ganas ketegal ke enggai kunsi nanggau ke petara nya Allah. Aku sigi enda ngaku petara sida kristin nya Allah.
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 10:52 pm

Kaum Dayak, mari kita kembali kepada Allah yang benar. Yang satu. Kajilah kristian itu dengan sebenarnya.Nabi Isa benar. Yang salah adalah Roman empayar dan sekutunya yang memesongkan akidah orang terdahulu. Wassalam

From ancient times, the prophets of God including Moses, Joseph, David, Jesus, the angles of God and many others have made it their custom to greet the believers with the words “Peace be with you.” This can be seen in such verses as:

Genesis 43:23 “And he said, Peace be to you, fear not: your God, and the God of your father, hath given you treasure in your sacks: I had your money. And he brought Simeon out unto them.”

Judges 6:23 “And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.”

1 Samuel 25:6 “And thus shall ye say to him that liveth in prosperity, Peace be both to thee, and peace be to thine house, and peace be unto all that thou hast.”

Numbers 6:26 “The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.”

1 Samuel 1:17 “Then Eli answered and said, Go in peace”

Luke 24:36 “And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

John 20:19 “…..came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.”

John 20:26 “……..then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.”
Manang Empangau on January 12th, 2010 11:05 pm

Ya, orang dayak memang sudah balik ke atu percaya kepada Allah. Oleh itu mereka mau panggil nama Tuhan mereka itu dengan nama Allah. Tetapi kamu orang selam sangat tamak tak mau kongsi tuhan dengan mereka lah, samapi sanggup buat pintu gereja mereka kelihatan antik bah antu mau babikiu di tengah bandar menggunakan bahan bahan gereja. Adakah jereja macam itu dibenarkan oleh Allah kamu? Tengoklah sendiri kebaikan Allah yang kami sembah. Kami sangat tenang dengan Allah kami.
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:12 pm

SAUL OF TARSUS’ “CONVERSION” CONTRADICTIONS

http://www.themillennialdispensation.org/sotcc.html
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:17 pm

Bishop Eusebius (260 – 339) who said “It is an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by such means the interest of the church might be promoted”)
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:18 pm

Pope Leo X (1513 – 1521) who said, “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us”
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:20 pm

“DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.”
JOHN 20:17

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/adrianbiblestudents/trinityfalsedoctrine.html
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:26 pm

The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/paul/paul.htm
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:35 pm

Lets look at history how many people died because of inquisition.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ATHEISM/inquisition.html
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:43 pm

What did the historical Jesus teach in comparison with what the historical Paul taught?… Jesus taught that to escape judgment a person must keep the central teachings of the Jewish Law as he, Jesus himself, interpreted them. Paul, interestingly enough, never mentions Jesus’ interpretation of the [Mosaic] Law, and Paul was quite insistent that keeping the Law would never bring Salvation. The only way to be saved, for Paul, was to trust Jesus’ death and resurrection… Paul transformed the religion of Jesus into a religion about Jesus. (Bart D. Ehrman, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, 1993)

http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/22/declaring-war-on-saint-paul/
Janggal on January 12th, 2010 11:58 pm

Dr. Arnold Meyer says:

“If by Christianity we understand faith in Christ as the heavenly Son of God, who did not belong to earthly humanity, but who lived in the divine likeness and glory, who came down from heaven to earth, who entered humanity and took upon himself a human form through a virgin, that he might make propitiation for men’s sins by his own blood upon the cross, who was then awakened from death and raised to the right hand of God, as the Lord of his own people, who believe in him, who hears their prayers, guards and leads them, who will come again with the clouds of heaven to judge the world, who will cast down all the foes of God, and will bring his own people with him unto the home of heavenly light so that they may become like His glorified body – if this is Christianity, then such Christianity was founded by St. Paul and not by our Lord.” (Dr. Arnold Meyer, Professor of Theology, Zurich University, Jesus or Paul, p. 122)
Janggal on January 13th, 2010 12:11 am

Trinitarians have sinned against Jesus Christ
For putting words in the Bible HE NEVER SAID

http://www.jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/matthew-proof.html
Linut Mulung on January 13th, 2010 12:23 am

Jangal……….jangal………perut buntas nuan aja meh betul dalam semoa utai pasal pengarap Christian. Nuan aja meh pandai pasal pengarap.

Kati perut peruti nuan pikir kami ka maca utai ditulis nuan ditu pecaya ka jako nuan kah????

KAMI TU ANAK IBAN, betul salah Christian nya ni ko kami ka megai pengarap Christian, kapa perut buntas nuan ka kiruh nulis pasal pengarap ditu panjai amat, nyau manjai bulu utai nuan nya.

Kami tu, peturun “free fighter”, “head hunter”, sapa peduli ka utai ka ditulis nuan ditu??? mesai lambar buk nadai meh kami pecaya ka utai ka ditulis nuan, tak semina ngemasau jam, hari diri empu nuan perut buntas.

Siti aja….nuan mesti ka ingat, mesti ka nemu pasal ANAK DAYAK/ANAK IBAN KA ORIGINAL DI MENOA SARAWAK/BORNEO TU, KAMI SIGI enda surut ngapa enti bangsa kami di gayang kita ela.

Ingat nuan J A N G A L…….kita MUNGKAL NANJAL KAMI DULU…..bisi maya kami malas DURUK kita ela. Nesal nadai kala dulu. Menoa tu enti ia berenyang, becabu iru, gamal ka baka nuan nya anang ka nguji ngerara, ngetu, ka laya kitai menoa tu. Ingat nuan, cukup pedis ati bala orang ka kena perinsa, kena tindas, kena keduan bala kita. Utang tetap utang Jangal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Petara siko aja. Ingat nuan. Kami tu endang sigi purih orfang Pangau. Bisi maya anak Dayak/Iban angkat baru ela, enti kita majak beduan kami.
Cikgu Iban on January 13th, 2010 1:31 am

Janggal…… Jangg…. Youe name is synonomous wuth what you yo say. It is just ods to the Iban in particular ond the Daual in Sarawak ans Kalimanta in particular.

I do not have to read all your commments to have an impression opf who you are.

Please kust dtop our nonsence.Thank you very much.

amd also please be reminded not to step ones dormitary. Because then you will know who will survive.

Whatever it is , kindly pray for peace in our belovfd nation regardless of who rules it.

Cheers…
.
Iban Militant on January 13th, 2010 1:46 am

Linut Mulung,

Just ignore any comments from Janggal. GOD is merciful and he will touch Janggal’s heart to follow Jesus Christ way of teaching. Only through Jesus and whoever believe in Him will go to heaven, the non-followers will be thrown into hell, NOT unless they repent.

The above is Godly speaking. Militantly speaking, rekak nuan legi Janggal…..I know you Iban Murtad! You can attach thousands of anti-Christ
articles in this blog but each & everyone of us human will be judged equally by GOD. The more you hate Christianity the more is your body suffer in the flame of hell.
Cikgu Iban on January 13th, 2010 1:52 am

MJC on January 12th, 2010 10:08 pm Tabi Kaban Bloggers,

In fact since 1974 the BN gomen had paid compensation to the tune RM44 millions to landowners in Betong alone.
…………………………………………..

I am expecting much more than this for being a DCM for ages. By now, he must have been able to reflect a more positive contributions rowards the Iban community. I am sorry to sat that you are talking about the total sum. But how much of this total sum have actually gone the pockets of the poor Ibans?.

Remember, 60% of the funds ,as confirmed by the senior officer of MACC, has gone into a pocket of a third party?. And this figure of RM44M is factually a 40% od whatever sum officially declared by the government.

The payment of compensation to landowners was proof the BN gomen was fulfilling its part of the bargain. So who dare say BN don’t keep to its promises?

………………………………………….

Dbs dare say BN never keeps to its promises. In fact, it is alwats a lie hwn the speed of BN delivery of a particular project is taken inrio consideration.

On the Allah issue, Dayaks Paramount Chief informed that he has written a letter to Najib for a solution to the matter.
………………………………………….

Thanks, YDK.
Hope, you can tell us now before telling our PM if you are really hones and sincerely in solving the issue. When one claims to be a paramount chief, he must be the FIRST person to say publicly od his opinion. He has to full confidence in whatever he says, be it an ordinary letter ot our PM. After all. for aperson fits to be addresseed as a paramount chioef . he mus speak withoust any fear and favour.

Hope, his soultion on this ALLAH isssue won’t infuriate the Chirstina Dayak.

Cheers…
Cikgu Iban on January 13th, 2010 1:54 am

Iban Militant on January 13th, 2010 1:46 am

Linut Mulung,

………………………………………….

Please everybody ignore the comments from Janggal.
I am one of those who have given it a mis.

Good nite…
Manang Empangau on January 13th, 2010 7:00 am

Janggal amat penemu Igat Janggal nya neh. Kitai kristin dini si janggal baka penemu iya nya. Penemu iya nya duniawilah!!! Nadai kandungan rohani. Janggal amat pengidup kaban kitai nya. Landik amat iya ke serega kin nadai pengulu neh!

Janggal nya pen baka Paul ke dituduh iya pemula. I think he is the founder of Selam ga.
Janggal on January 13th, 2010 8:22 am

“The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly, has made the world evil and ugly.”
- Friedrich Nietzsche

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/Inquisition.html
Dino on January 13th, 2010 8:27 am

Why I & DL believe Islam and Islamic belief are false.

1 What is Islam.
2 Who is Allah.
3 Demon possession.
4 Demon possession of Muhammad.
5 Muhammad the divine.
6 Muhammad the guru.
7 Deception is the signature of Satan.
8 The deception of Islam.
9 A tree is judged by it’s fruit.
10 The 5 pillars of demonic Islam.
11 The base allure of Islam.
12 The Qur’an is not perfect.
13 The Qur’an is demon inspired.
14 Only the pretender needs to prove himself.
15 The good news of Grace.
16 Resource material.

1 WHAT IS ISLAM

The word islam means submission.
Islam is a system of beliefs originated by Muhammad who lived in Arabia from 570 to 633 AD.
Central to this belief system is the claim by Muhammad that he believed the angel Gabriel appeared to him in a cave at Hira situated a few miles from Mecca in the month of Ramadan in 610 AD when he was 40 years of age.

The material from this claim and subsequent numerous repeated appearances of Gabriel to Muhammad revealing the words of Allah was recorded in a 114 chapter document named the Qur’an.

Further material was recorded in the Hadith which is a compilation of witnessed accounts of what Muhammad said during his life after 610 AD. The most authoritative and complete version of the Hadith was compiled by Sahih Bukhari (also known as Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim al-Mughira al-Jafai) who lived some 200 years after the death of Muhammad.

Muhammad’s first vision involved the presence of what Muhammad thought was the angel Gabriel pressing him three times and on each release, commanding him to read. After which the angel said,
“Read in the name of your Lord. Who creates.
He created man from a clot.
Read, by your most generous Lord.
Who taught by the pen.
He taught man what he did not know.”
(Sura 96, verses 1-5 of Al-Qur’an)

Subsequently, Muhammad reported another vision. He saw what he thought was the same angel who appeared to him in the cave at Hira, sitting on a chair between the earth and the sky. He was terrified and returned home and told Khadija, his first wife, “Wrap me” After which, he claimed that Allah revealed to him the following verses of the Qur’an:
“O Enrobed one.
Arise and warn.
Glorify your Lord.
And purify your garments.
And abandon abomination.”
(Sura 74, verses 1-5 of Al-Qur’an)

I believe Muhammad sincerely believed that he actually saw the angel Gabriel. However, I believe that the angel was not Gabriel. I believe the angel was a demon, probably Satan himself.

I believe Muhammad was deceived by a demon who subsequently possessed his mind, changed him and made use of him to deceive mankind into worshipping a pagan idol named Allah in place of the one true God of Abraham called El ( El-Elyon, Elohim).

2 WHO IS ALLAH

Some 3000 years BC, in the Tigris and Euphrates river basin, there was an ancient civilization called Sumer, with its people called Sumerians.

From archaeological findings of cuneiform engravings, there was a pagan idol named Lil. The name was subsequently modified to Enlil as well as Ramman-ilani.

This Ramman idol was transported via trade routes to India to become the Brahman of Vedic literature, subsequently forming the Hindu religion.

The pagan idol remaining in the land of origin became known as Baal of Babylon. By trade route spread, this pagan idol became arabicised into the name Al-ilah. Al-ilah also had a consort pagan idol named Al-ilat.

With time, Al-ilah became shortened to Al-lah and then Allah.

The name Allah became known as the generic name for god.

The consort Al-ilat became known as Al-lat. Al-lat is one of the pagan idols found in the Ka’bah shrine in Mecca referred to in the Satanic verses of Sura 53 of the Qur’an.

Hence the name Allah is not the same name used by Abraham for God which should be El. Even the name of Abraham’s son from Hagar is named after El as Ishma-el. Ishmael is purportedly the original father of the Arabs.

I believe Satan’s deception is in hijacking the ‘one god’ concept of Judaism and Christianity with the use of the name Allah as the ‘one god’ rather than the genuine name El. This deception is rendered more persuasive by using the simplistic one entity Allah rather than the three entity Holy Trinity concept of Christianity.

3 DEMON POSSESSION

Hindu yogis and Buddhist monks have been reported to spend long solitary periods of meditation in caves. I believe during these yogic meditations, the individual empties himself of all worldly thoughts and preoccupations.

In this blank state, the individual becomes susceptible to a demon entering his mind, spiritually deceiving him and taking over control of his spirit.

Demons are spirits. I believe they are fallen angels, chief among whom is Satan. Once a demon possesses an individual, the individual becomes the demon’s slave. The demon will alter the individual’s beliefs and consequently his attitude and behavior.

The demon possessed individual will almost invariably manifest the signature of Satan which is deception.

4 DEMON POSSESSION OF MUHAMMED

Muhammad himself admitted that he was possessed by a devil:

‘Anas reported that Gabriel appeared before the Apostle of Allah (Muhammad), while he was playing with some boys. Gabriel took him, laid him down, pierced his heart, and took out a clot of blood. Then he said, “This is the portion of you possessed of a devil.” Next, he washed it in a gold cup with water from the well Zamzam. Thereafter sewed him up and took him back to where he found him…’ (Attended by Muslim. Al-Hadis, Volume 4 page 367)

Muhammad himself admitted that he was possessed by Satan at one time:
‘Have you, then, seen Al-Lat and Al-Uzza?
And Manat, the third one, the other?
These are exalted females (sublime ones),
Mounting nearer and nearer to Allah
And truly their intercession may be expected.
( Al-Qur’an, Sura 53 verse19-20, and the Satanic verses in bold letters)

The Satanic verses were present in the original version of the Qur’an when Muhammad was trying to woo the Meccans who believed in many gods including the pagan idols Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat.

Later on, when he was in a more commanding position, he conveniently edited out these embarrassing verses, admitting that they were inspired in him by Satan.
“We have not sent a messenger or prophet before you but when he recited, the Devil would intrude into his recitation. (Al-Qur’an. Sura 22 verse 53)
Muhammad admitted that he had a Jinn (demon) up his nose.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No.516)
Muhammed said that bad dreams are from Satan.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No. 513)
Muhammad had his own resident demon, the one-eyed Dajjal.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 3, page 803)

5 MUHAMMAD THE DIVINE

Muhammad exalted himself to be part of the Islamic godhead when he referred to Allah in the plural form:
‘So turn away from him who has given up Our mention and only desires the patient life.’
(Al-Qur’an. Sura 53, verse 29)
Muhammad claimed that he was the truth, a claim that only deity can claim.
‘Abu Qatada reported that the Messenger of Allah said,
“Whoever has seen me has indeed seen the truth” Agreed.
(Al-Hadis, Volume 2, page 102)
Compare this with what Jesus said in John 14:6
“I am the way, the truth and the life:
no man comes to the Father but by me
Muhammad also exalted himself as perfect and never in error.
‘By the star when it goes down,
Your Company has not gone astray nor erred,
(Al-Qur’an. Sura 53, verse 1-2)
The deification of Muhammad is also contained in the Hadith.
‘Abu Hurairah reported from the Holy Prophet who said,
“Verrily, I am a mercy that has been raised up”
Attested by Darimi and Rahaqi.
Even a stone was claimed by Muhammad to greet him.
Jabber-b-Samorah reported that the Apostle of Allah said:
“Verrily I know certainly of a stone at Mecca
which used to greet me before prophethood.
Surely I recognize it even now”
Attested by Muslim.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, page 367-368)
Compare this with what Jesus said in Luke, Chapter 19, verse 40:
“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”
The deity of Muhammad is reinforced by the Egyptian mystic Darimi who claimed that Muhammad was already in existence before the creation of Adam.
‘Darimi reported that the Messenger of Allah said,
“The first light which Allah created was my light.”
When Adam got to heaven, he found Muhammad’s name on Allah’s throne and engraved everywhere.
Adam asked, “Who then is this Muhammad?”
Allah answered. “He is your descendent, and but for him, I should not have created you.”
Allah rebuked Adam for not praying to Muhammad.’
Darimi also reported,
“All of creation was made of the substance of Muhammad”

6 MUHAMMAD THE GURU

A guru is a man who claims divine commission. His actions reveal that his objective is to gather a following of people who are totally beholden to him for every detail of how life should be lived. He exalts himself and keeps his god mysterious, distant and unknowable, encouraging his followers to come to himself for direction.
The guru system is well established in Hindu beliefs and practices. A yogi first exalts his own teacher, even to the extent of a deity so that he himself role-models to his followers to exalt him and venerate every word that proceeds from his mouth and venerate the very ground that he has walked upon.
The exaltation of Muhammad into a guru is reflected in his sweat being described as fragrant (Al-Hadis. Volume 4, page 337), and that he was more beautiful than the moon ( Al-Hadis. Volume 4, page 339).
The veneration given to the sayings of Muhammad in the Hadith is typical of the guru archetype.
By exalting himself as perfect, Muhammad sets the stage for his followers to venerate him. (Al-Hadis, Volume 4, Page 316, 323 and 328)
One of the methods gurus use to control his followers is the use of repetitive ritual movements and chanting of words of obeisance to his deity.
This is typified in the Salat, the five times a day ritualistic prostration and chanting of praises to Allah while facing toward the Ka’ba in Mecca.

7 DECEPTION IS THE SIGNATURE OF SATAN

God created angels to fellowship with. I believe God gave free choice to angels, even the choice to disobey. Lucifer, the then worship- leader decided to disobey and persuaded one third of the angels to rebel. They were then cast out of heaven. Lucifer became Satan, the accuser of the brethren.
God created man to fellowship with. God gave man dominion over the earth.
The first action of Satan to Adam and Eve was deception.
To deceive is to swindle, hoax, cheat, mislead, dupe, fool, or entrap.
Satan possessed the serpent and duped Eve and Adam into eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the one which God specifically forbade them to eat. (Genesis 3:1-7)
By this hoax, Satan cheated mankind of his right standing with God and dominion over the earth. Instead, mankind, including myself came under dominion of Satan and was headed for certain death.
In the ‘fallen’ state, I am unable to fellowship with God. However, God still wanted to fellowship with me.
The triune Godhead sent a part of Himself, Jesus to earth as a man to die and bear the total punishment for the disobedience (sin) of all of mankind so that in believing in this sacrifice, my fallen spiritual self will die and become reborn as a brother or sister of Christ Jesus.
As a new creation (2Corinthians 5:17), I can directly fellowship with God by casting all my cares to Him, secure in the belief that I have absolute right-standing with Him ( Psalm 55:22, 1 Peter 5:7)
When I believe in Jesus as my savior, I am freed from bondage to Satan. Satan is powerless to prevent me from believing the good news of the divine exchange.
What he can do is to deceive me with alternative routes to God like Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age and Islam. Satan inspired Hinduism and Buddhism with the core belief of Karma and reincarnation.
The concept of reincarnation has been debunked by the concept of demonic spirit possession explaining all the ‘evidence’ proffered for reincarnation.
Hence reincarnation is a lie and Hinduism, Buddhism, and New Age are deceptions. They bear the signature of Satan, which is deception.
With the death burial and resurrection of Jesus, Satan has had been stripped of his power over me and over anyone else who believe in the risen Jesus Christ. This is because at the name of Jesus every name will bow, including the name, Satan (Philippians 2:10).

8 THE DECEPTION OF ISLAM

Muhammad had knowledge of the Holy Bible from Waraqah, the cousin of his first wife, Khadijah.
When Muhammad frequented the cave at Hira to meditate, I believe that the fallen angel Satan saw an opportunity to execute his diabolical deception. I believe the fallen angel Satan appeared to Muhammad and thoroughly deceived Muhammad into believing that the he was Gabriel.
Muhammad’s description of experiencing forcible pressure from ‘Gabriel’, commanding him to recite, is a graphic description of demon possession.
Thereafter, having duped Muhammad into believing that he is the apostle of the creator, Satan fully possessed Muhammad and inspired in Muhammad a series of messages which were compiled into the Qur’an.
In order to be credible, the messages contained some truthful information like the mention that Jesus was of virgin birth and that Jesus performed miracles. However, Satan inserted numerous lies to deceive me and you.
The main lies are the following:

The first lie is the name of The Creator, whom he called Allah. Although cited as the God of Abraham, the name Allah is actually a derivation of Al-ilah, which is derived from Lil, the pagan idol of ancient Sumeria. The true name of the God of Abraham is El or El-Elyon contained in the Torah.
I believe to substitute the pagan idol name Allah for El when denoting God the Creator is to blaspheme in a most heinous way. How has this occurred? I believe Satan has insidiously deceived the pagan ancient Arabs to use the name ilah to denote the generic word ‘god’. Since then, the Arabic language has been tainted with this Satanic stain.
I also believe in 610 AD, in a cave at Hira, Muhammad himself was deceived by a demon into believing the name of God the Creator was Allah. By this deception, Satan has hijacked the worship that was meant for God the Creator who was called El by Abraham.
This deception is so pervasive that even in the Al-Kitab, the Holy Bible in Arabic and in Bahasa Indonesia, the name used to denote God is Allah. Hence I believe all Muslims as well as those Christians who use the Arabic translations of the Holy Bible have been duped by Satan in a most diabolical way.
In order to repair the hedge of protection for Arabic and Bahasa speaking Christians, it is imperative to immediately replace the name, Allah with El.

The second lie is the hijacking of the monotheistic ‘one god’ idea to mean one body called Allah instead of the true triune Godhead of God the Father (Abba), God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit.
The third lie is to indicate that Jesus did not say that He was the Son of God when the exact opposite is true. (Matt 26:63-64)
The fourth lie is to indicate that Jesus did not die and resurrect from death, but someone else was placed on the cross instead (Sura 4:157-158).
There is compelling evidence, for the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Reference: pp 215-240. The best of Josh McDowell. A ready defence. 1993)
The fifth lie is to indicate that Muhammad is the Comforter (Paraclete) instead of the Holy Spirit.
It is stated very clearly that the Comforter will ‘reprove the world of righteousness because Jesus goes to His Father’ (John 16:7-11). Yet Muhammad denies that God is Jesus’ father. This automatically disqualifies Muhammad from being the Comforter.
I believe quotation of Bible verses only when it appears to agree with the Qur’an and ignoring the others and ignoring the context is deceptive.
Deception is the signature of Satan.
The sixth lie is that the Ka’ba, which contained 360 pagan idols is the shrine set up by Abraham to worship Allah.
Abraham was never in the vicinity of Mecca. Abraham migrated from Ur of the Chaldees up the Euphrates to Syria and then through Canaan south to Egypt and then back to Canaan. The desert of Paran is in the Sinai peninsula and not the Arabian peninsula (Genesis 21:21).
The seventh lie is that Muhammad’s name is mentioned in the Gnostic ‘Gospel of St. Barnabas’. However, the only version of this is an obvious fake dating from the 18th century, in Italian, and containing passages from Dante’s Divine Comedy written in the 13th century.
The purpose of Satan’s deception is to downplay the truth about Jesus and to exalt the pagan idol, Allah.

9 A TREE IS JUDGED BY ITS FRUIT

A good tree will bear good fruit and a bad tree will bear bad fruit (Matthew 7:17-18).
Let us see what fruit Muhammad bore after his spirit was possessed by Satan.
Before his exposure to the demon at the cave at Hira, Muhammad was reported to be a peaceful man with one wife.
However after his call by Allah, he started to indulge in deception, highway robbery, banditry, rape and killing.
When Muhammad was 49 years old, a few weeks after the death of his first wife Khadija in 619 AD, Muhammad married Sauda bint Zamaa who was a widow and about 30 years of age.
When Muhammad was 53 years of age, he married Aisha bint abi Bakr in 623 AD, when she was still a 9 year old child!
When Muhammad was 55 years of age, he married Hafsa bint Umar ibn al Khattab in 625 AD. She was a young 17 year old widow.
In the same year, Muhammad married Zainab bint Khuzaima, a twice widow, but she died a few months after the marriage.
Muhammad’s sixth wife was Umm Salama, a widow of about age 30.
Muhammad married his own cousin, Zainab bint Jahash. She was also the divorced wife of his adopted son, Zaid ibn Haritha.
At the age of 57 years, in April 627 AD, Muhammad ‘married’ his Jewess prisoner Rahaina bint Amr, after executing all the adult males of a Jewish tribe Beni Quraidha, including her father. It is interesting that Muhammad had sexual intercourse with his prisoner before her next menses, contrary to his own rule regarding sexual intercourse with captured women.
In January 628 AD, at the age of 58, Muhammad raided the tribe of Beni Mustaliq and captured and ‘married’ Juwairiya , the daughter of the chief of that tribe.
In the same year, Umm Habeeba bint abi Sofian, a widow became his tenth wife.
After his followers raided Kheibar and killed Kinana ibn abi al Huqaiq, its Jewish leader, they captured his wife, Safiya bint Huyai ibn al Akhtab, whom Muhammad conveniently ‘married’.
Maimoona bint al Harith married Muhammad when he was 59 years of age.
Muhammad’s thirteenth and last marriage was to Mary a Christian slave girl given to Muhammad by the ‘ruler’ of Egypt.
Interestingly, although Muhammad pronounced that a believer of Allah can have only up to four wives at a time, he himself had a special divine dispensation to exceed that number.
After his escape from Mecca to Medina, Muhammad commenced a series of bloody raids on the caravans from Mecca in order to capture booty.
Interestingly, according to Muhammad, this activity was sanctioned by Allah as Jihad and one fifth of the booty goes to Allah (Khumus). Call it what you may but I consider it as highway robbery all the same. The raids progressively became bolder and included raids on neighboring settlements and tribes.
After the siege of Medina failed, Muhammad settled old scores by capturing the settlement of the Jewish tribe Beni Quraidha who had sided with the pagan Meccans. He robbed them of all their property, sold their women and children as slaves, and he executed all the adult males who numbered between 700 and 800. This effectively exterminated the entire tribe.
It appears that for Muhammad, the end justifies the means, even the use of deception.
While he was busily insisting that there is only one god, Allah, he found it appropriate to deceive the pagan Meccans by stating the Al-Lat, Al Uzza and Manat the popular female idols of the Ka’ba can be prayed to for intercession to Allah (Sura 53).
After he became more powerful, he deleted these embarrassing verses by giving the convenient excuse as well as an admission that they were inspired by Satan.
I believe this occurrence enormously increases the probability that the entire Qur’an and Hadith were inspired by Satan for the deception of mankind.

10 THE FIVE PILLARS OF DEMONIC ISLAM

The first pillar is the testimony of faith. This is to declare that Allah is the one and only creator god and Muhammad is his Apostle.
As was already pointed out, the name Allah actually denotes the name of a pagan idol. Declaring this testimony of faith is tantamount to declaring belief in a pagan idol, allowing the demon who has possessed that idol free rein to possess whosoever declares this testimony.
I believe Muhammad is truly the apostle of the pagan idol Allah and it’s possessing demon, whom I believe to be none other than Satan himself.

The second pillar is the ritual prayer Salat, which is the five times a day obeisance in the direction of the Ka’ba in Mecca ( Qibla).
This involves several rakaa or repetitions of obeisance.
The Islamic believer’s hands are raised and he says “Allah is most great”, the hands are the joined at the chest and the worshipper says, “ Glory be to You, O Allah, Yours is the praise, blessed is Your Name, exalted is Your Majesty and there is no god but You. I take refuge with Allah against the devil who is stoned.” Then the Fatiha or opening chapter of the Qur’an is recited.
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds (ie the whole creation),
The Compassionate, the Merciful,
Master of the day of judgement,
Only You do we worship, and only You do we implore for help.
Lead us to the right path,
The path of those you have favoured
Not those who have incurred Your wrath or have gone astray.
The worshipper then recites a chapter of the Qur’an of his choice and the says, “Allah is most great” and then bows from the waist, with the palms of his hand on his knees, saying three times, “Glory to my Lord, the Great”.
The worshipper then stands and says, “Allah hears him who praises Him. O Lord, Yours is the praise.”
He then falls to his knees and bends his body forwards with his forehead touching the ground, repeating thee times, “Glory to my Lord, the Most High.”
He then straightens up his body while still in the kneeling position, and sits on his heels for a few moments and the repeats the prostration with his forehead to the ground.
He then stands up in completion of the Rakaa. The Rakaa is repeated, the number of times varies on different occasions.
I believe this ritual of obeisance to the pagan idol Allah, repeated five times a day, ensures the demon possessing the idol to be invited to control the mind and spirit of the deceived worshipper.
I now understand why it is required for believers in Islam to repeat this obeisance five times a day. It is necessary in order to edify the effete idol and the demon which possesses it, as well as to ensure that the worshipper remains obedient to the demonic possessing spirit without questioning.
I also understand why believers of Islam are commanded to recite the Qur’an rather than to study the Qur’an. To study means to dissect and analyze. I believe that analysis of the Qur’an will reveal numerous inconsistencies that will generate doubt in the truth of Islam.

The third pillar of Islam is giving zakat (alms to the poor). I believe this reflects Mammad’s orphan beginnings. Moreover, charity lends an air of social acceptability and legitimacy.

The fourth pillar of Islam is the annual fast in the month of Ramadan. Depriving oneself of sustenance on command is an act of obedience and subservience.
I believe, once a year, believers of Islam rededicate themselves to acknowledging, in a very tangible and personal way, that the pagan idol named Allah is their master.
It is interesting to note that in Hebrew, ‘master’ is ‘baal’.

The fifth pillar of Islam is the Hajj or pilgrimage to Mecca.
It is recommended that a believer in Islam perform the Hajj at least once in his lifetime.
I believe that this pilgrimage is a further act of obeisance to the pagan idol, named Allah.
The Hajj, as practiced by believers of Islam today, appears to be a re-enactment of Muhammad’s last pilgrimage on 9 March 632 AD. The ceremonies included the wearing of special pilgrim dress, the travel from Medina (Yathrib) to Mecca, the ritual throwing of stones at the devil at Mudzalifa, the slaughtering of sacrificial animals at Mina, and the seven time circumambulation of the Ka’ba.
I believe that every detail of the ceremony as laid down by Muhammad has a demonic significance.
The ritual throwing of stones at the devil is a deceptive ploy to dupe the believer of Islam that mere stone throwing will hurt a demon.
The slaughtering of sacrificial animals is to mimic the story of Abraham and the cutting of the covenant between El-Elyon and Abraham, in order to lend legitimacy to Islam.
However, I believe with the shedding of innocent blood in this sacrifice, a blood covenant is being cut between the pagan idol, named Allah and the unsuspecting pilgrim.
The Ka’ba was a pagan shrine to 360 idols even before Muhammad was born. It was originally a four walled building containing pictures and stone idols.
In one of its walls is a stone, believed to be a meteorite, which was worshipped as Al-Uzza, one of the three female idols referred to in the Satanic verses contained in the original, unexpurgated version of Sura 53 of the Qur’an. The Ka’ba was rebuilt and roofed in 605 AD when Muhammad was 35 years of age.
It was the practice of the Quraish tribe of Mecca to worship the pagan idols by walking and running around (circumambulating) the Ka’ba and touching the Black Stone.
Muhammad practiced this idol worship before his encounter with who he thought was the angel Gabriel at the age of 40 in 610 AD.
Even after the call, he continued the practice of worshipping at the Ka’ba in spite of his insistence that there was only one god.
Except for a period when he directed his followers to worship in the direction of Jerusalem, Muhammad required that the Salat, or the 5 times daily devotions be directed (Qibla) towards the Ka’ba in Mecca.
When Muhammad returned to Mecca in victory in 630 AD, he entered the Ka’ba and ordered all the painted figures on the walls to be erased and all idols in areas under his control to be destroyed.
It is believed by believers of Islam that the Ka’ba was the site of a shrine built by Abraham to worship his God. This is an attempt to lend legitimacy to the Qibla.
However, Abraham was never in the vicinity of Mecca in his lifetime.
I believe the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and the ritualistic circumambulation of the Ka’ba is a continuation of the pagan worship before the birth of Muhammad.
After the return of Muhammad to Mecca, instead of patently worshipping many pagan idols, pilgrims are unwittingly worshipping one pagan idol called Allah.
I believe the touching of the Black Stone seals the covenant between the pagan idol named Allah and the pilgrim.
I believe this is the reason why believers of Islam are required to go for the Hajj at least once in their lifetime.

The sixth religious duty is Jihad (Holy War).
Men are required to go to war to defend Islam or to spread Islam when the situation warrants.
A man who dies in Jihad immediately goes to Paradise and is considered a martyr (Shahid).

11 THE BASE ALLURE OF ISLAM

It is easy to be converted to Islam. All a person is required to do is to declare the creed openly.
It appears that actual believing is not necessarily required.
It is easy to appear to be a Muslim.
All a person is required to do is to perform the Salat, the five times a day prayer, fast for one month in a year, give alms to the poor and attempt to go for the Hajj once in his lifetime. This would assure the person of acceptance by Allah.
It is interesting that the performance of the five pillars of Islam would guarantee salvation from Allah and that a Muslim can do any dastardly act and yet qualify to go to Paradise. How very ‘liberating’.
Islam appeals to the ‘animal’ desires of men.
Believers are allowed up to four wives at a time.
During Jihad, the Muta marriage law legitimizes rape by permitting the Muslim to ‘marry’ a woman for three days on presenting her with a piece of cloth.
The Muslin concept of Paradise panders to the sexual lust of men. They recline on beds interwoven with gold, supplied with unlimited limpid drink, fruits and flesh of fowl and wide-eyed houris (heavenly concubines), like hidden pearls, as a reward for what they do (Al Qur’an Sura 56, verses 15-24).
Muhammad was reported to have said, “ There is in Paradise a market, wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man will desire a beauty, he will have intercourse with them.” Reported by Ali and attested by Tirmizi (Al Hadis, Book 4, Chap 42, no. 34).
In Paradise, a man will be able to see the nakedness of a woman through seventy layers of dresses (no 652).
It is clear that sexual lust is the uppermost consideration in the eyes of Muhammad.
The only way a woman can get to heaven is by marrying a Muslim man. This way she can ‘enjoy’ seeing her husband having sexual intercourse with innumerable young women from the market of virgins, and ‘enjoy’ having other men looking through her clothing at her nakedness.
Participating in Jihad is attractive because the martyr is immediately transferred to Paradise to have sexual intercourse with virgins. If the warrior does not die, he has the spoils (booty) to enjoy.
Why don’t women reject this discrimination against them?
By participating in the rituals of obeisance to the pagan idol named Allah, they become demon possessed and thus become blind to reason and truth.

12 THE QUR’AN IS NOT PERFECT

By definition, the Qur’an is the complete collection of the revelations to Muhammad by the angel Gabriel from Allah. It is claimed that it is the same today as it was handed down by Muhammad to his companions. This is offered as proof that the Qur’an must be the word of God.
However, from the various Hadith ( Bukhari, Muslim, Mishkat-ul-masbih), that from the start, the Qur’an had many varied and conflicting readings. The choice and method of standardization was not by divine intervention but by the work of man.
The Caliph Uthman, noting that there were many versions of the Qur’an, called for the copy belonging to Hafsah (one of the wives of Muhammad and daughter of Umar), and had it copied and distributed throughout the Islamic realm and had all other versions destroyed by burning.
There is evidence that this ‘Revised Standard Version’ was not perfect. Sura 33, verse 23 was initially missing, and the readings on stoning for adultery is still not included in the Qu’ran (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah, pg 684).
If every word in the Qur’an is supposed to be the inspired of Allah, then why are Jewish folklore included in it?
The story of the raven scratching on the ground in the story of Cain and Abel ( Surah 5, verse 31. & Pirke Rabbi Eliezer Chapter 21).
The killing of one human being as equivalent to killing all mankind ( Surah 5, verse 32. & Mishnah, Sanhedrin Chapter 4, verse 5).
The story of Abraham being thrown into a fiery furnace (Surah 21, verses 52-70 & Midrash Rabbah, where the Ur of Chaldees was mistaken for Or (fire) of Chaldees

13 THE QUR’AN IS DEMON INSPIRED

I believe The Qur’an contains material that is demon inspired.

There are prophecies and insights contained in the Qur’an and the Sunnah which cannot be explained by human intelligence at the time they were written. These have been proffered as evidence for the claim that the Qur’an was divinely inspired.

These include the prophecy on the victory of the Byzantines over the Persians within nine years after their initial loss, as well as insights on scientific knowledge, viz. the description on the joining and stacking of clouds, the role of hailstones in the formation of lightning, mountains as pegs, the darkness in the deep sea, the waves inside the ocean, the partition of seas and estuaries, the snow age, the rotation and orbiting of the earth, the origin of the universe through smoke, pain sensation from burn, the front of the brain as responsible for lying and the early development of the human embryo.

I believe when Lucifer was cast down to earth together with his fallen angels, he became known as Satan, the accuser of the brethren. Because these fallen angels are spirit and unable to effect change on earth except through spirit possession of human beings, they have perfected the skill of possessing people’s minds and invented the concept of reincarnation to deceive people into accepting their repeated possession of people.

There is no reincarnation of the original spirits of people which are from El-Elyon, the true creator. There is only repeated spirit possession of people by the spirits of fallen angels (demonic spirits) which is their ‘reincarnation’.

I believe the original El-Elyon given spirit is given at conception, after the sperm enters the egg and they fuse to become another new, distinct and unique individual.

Demon possession can occur any time after conception. I believe that the possessing demon is able to retain memory of its experience in the body of the possessed person. Hence the knowledge of the early development of the embryo. This knowledge was revealed to Muhammad by the demon which possessed him. Hence knowledge of human anatomy and function can also be accounted for.

I believe the demons inhabit the realm of principalities and powers, which include the air, sea and earth (Ephesians 2:2) Hence their knowledge of the geological, meteorological and astronomical phenomena.

Their objective is to impress mankind and deceive us into believing that this knowledge is from the creator. Again, deception, the signature of Satan, is seen.

What about prophecy? Even the evil Balaam was able to prophesy.
What about the miracles like splitting the moon and producing water from his hand ? Even Hindu yogis have been reported to perform miraculous acts. I believe the power to do this is demonic

14 ONLY THE PRETENDER NEEDS TO PROVE HIMSELF

The true creator does not need to prove himself as the creator.
A pretender needs to prove himself to mankind.
I believe Satan is pretending to be the creator.
Satan is using the pagan idol named Allah to represent himself as the creator.

This explains why the five pillars of Islam is so important to Satan. In order to qualify for salvation, a believer in Islam is required to recite the creed that there is only one creator named Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger. Moreover it is also a requirement to pay homage by worshipping not once but five times a day to Allah in the Salat ritual prayers. It is also a requirement to go on a pilgrimage to Mecca to perform the ritual of obeisance to Allah, including the cutting of a blood covenant with Allah at least once in a lifetime.

The status of salvation of a believer in Allah is insecure. It is dependent on his effort to perform the rituals required by the five pillars of Islam.

On the other hand, I believe the true creator, El-Elyon does not need anyone to pay homage to Him. I believe that He remains almighty whether people worship Him or not. I believe my maker is absolutely holy and there is no way I can even come close to His holiness and achieve salvation by my own efforts.

It is only by His mercy in sending His only Son, Jesus, to redeem me that I am given a chance to have salvation. All I need to do is believe in Jesus as my savior.

15 THE GOOD NEWS OF GRACE

I believe Jesus is the Son of El-Elyon. Once I believe in Jesus, I become His sibling, and El-Elyon becomes my father (Abba) and I receive and accept permanent and irrevocable right standing and salvation forever (Galatians 3:26-27).
Abba will send the Holy Spirit (Paraclete) to dwell within me and guide me to focus on Jesus in my decisions. The Holy Spirit will never leave me nor forsake me forever.

Abba will not insist that I worship Him five times a day nor will he require me to go on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem in order to maintain right standing with Him and to preserve my salvation.

I worship my maker because I am grateful for His mercy and grace for saving me even though I do not deserve to be saved (Romans 3:23).

I praise Him and pay homage to Him because I want to do so, not because I have to do so.

I believe I will never lose my status as the beloved of my Abba (Father) forever no matter what I do or don’t do after I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior (Romans 3:22).

16. RESOURCE MATERIAL

The life and times of Muhammad. By Sir John Glubb. Madison Books. 4729 Boston Way. Lanham. Maryland 20706. ISBN 1-56833-112-6. New York: Stein & Day. ©1970.

The Qur’an. A modern English version. Translated by Majid Fakhry. Garnet Publishing Limited. 8 Southern Court, South Street, Reading, RG1 4QS, UK. ISBN 1 85964 086 9. © 1997

The best of Josh McDowell, A ready defence. Compiled by Bill Wilson. Thomas Nelson Inc. Nashville, Tennessee. ISBN 0-8407-4419-6. © 1993

Allah, divine or demonic. By Steve van Nattan. 1995.

The available Aramaic bible is corrupted.

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Janggal on January 13th, 2010 8:33 am

“And the killing of children that never stopped, the children who were sold and betrayed by the million, the victims of torture hanging from the gallows, wicked banners of a wicked power”.
“There is no event that has no effect on me and there is no event that I cannot affect in some way”
“A harsh whipping with a cane is the worst kind of torture practiced in our country. Though it may seem impossible, five hundred lashes, even just four hundred, it is all it takes to kill a man”
“The right to corporal punishment exercised by one man over another is one of the evils that afflicts society, it is a sure means to smother any seed of civilization and to cause it to decompose”
F. Dostoyevsky

http://www.torturamuseum.com/this.html
Janggal on January 13th, 2010 8:36 am

Historical Torture Museum

http://www.torturamuseum.com/instruments.html
Janggal on January 13th, 2010 8:45 am

CHRISTIAN TOTALITARIANISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM:
-But now they want to use ALLAH.
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Religion/Antisemitism%20Medieval.htm
Antubaruhdagu on January 13th, 2010 4:58 pm

What is Janggal really want to proof?Which side you are?I think he is a fanatic muslim follower.To all comment writer in this blog,please avoid or the best way just ignore his article…don’t read it at all.

To Janggal,you should leave from entering this blog before other peoples get more angry on you.Stop from giving a nonsense comment.What the hell article that you has write here?

No wonder why most commenter in this blog dislike you…
Manang Empangau on January 13th, 2010 5:48 pm

Sigi janggal amat meh penemu Igat Janggal nya. Kapa meh iya enggau penemu ke dadak baka nya. Enggi Igat Dino tak bangat panjai endar ga penemu ke ditulis ditu. Kati penemu orijina dek nya Igat? Anang tak ka ngirup kopi belama deh Igat. Sebening pala kelalu ngirup kupi ba kedai Kupi Kopi ba negeri Kuching tu ba Jalai Tun Jugah dia. Igat Janggal nya enggai nganggau keapai iya nya apai laban munyi ku Tuan Arah sida enda tau taunganggau ke sebarang lelaki ba dunya tu nya APAI. Semina petara aja tau dikanggau ke Apai tauka Ayah tauka Bapa tauka Daddy tauka Pa etc.
Unak Semambu on January 13th, 2010 8:04 pm

Since the court ruling which allowed the Christians to use the word Allah in their Herald, DB blog is losing the focus on it’s main struggle/ agenda- “Change We Must”.

So much pity on you guys, why were you all lost the direction (drifted away from the used to be constructive debate/ discusion) and so much carried away by the word Allah?

Anybody of you here able communicate with Allah or meet Him in person? Christians make their way to God thru Jesus, Islam make their way thru Mohammad, and so are other regiligous denomination, pray thru their prophets!

I am very disappointed & embarrassed by some of your guys’ comments, why perturbed by who on this earth should be entitiled to call the God name by Allah or whatever?

If you guys ever read the Satanic Verses (SV) authored by Rahman Rushdie then you know the truth about Islam vs Christianity. Dino did list out some of the quotes. I hope the members here get enlightened by that articles. But bear in mind that that is only the opinion (research) from one human being out of billions.

At the moment please dont argue so much about who should be allowed to use the word Allah (Taala) to address our Heavenly Father. I believe in God but I am not so much particular about what is the appropriate (right) name we should address Him. Ba gereja let’s maintain the word Allah Taala, although that name refer to gods of pagan in the ancient time. Kanggau aja Apai Syurga pan ka nyadi. Imagine if the mainland China & India that have population of more than 2 billions address our God name by ‘Allah”? Could it be a non stop street protest sponsor by UMNO?

Unless anyone of us human (after Jesus) has the power to speak to God and ask for his real name I think we should rest the arguement here. To me God is everywhere and He can be in any form and always watching his creations. You may win the arguement but when the time comes God knows how to jugde each & everyone of us humans whom He created to live in this world.

Never be so critical about our friends Laut esp the Sarawakian Muslims….they are the same roots with us…long2 time ago sama2 makai babi…ngembuan pengarap lama…and they are humble like us. I believe the issue purposely created by UMNO to unite the muslims in order to revive UMNO supremacy and get back the states that are currently under PKR.

If you bother to know who are UMNO leaders, they are mostly immigrants or mixed parentage right from our 1st Prime Minister nadai siko pure Malays. Even the orang asal Melayu (baka DSAI) not happy with them- some of the immigrants take advantage of conversion to Islam as a way of CARI MAKAN and few of them very successful in business and hold higher position in the govt & private agencies.

I think the street protesters (attacks) were/ are sponsored & carried out by those immigrants. Laut nadai ngereja pengawa ke jai baka nya…lebih agi Laut Sarawak…saum meja enggau sida makai pan OK.

Only God knows who are making the right path to make way to Him after death. We are both God’s children…..semina chara ngenatai ke sampi enda sama, enda sama utai ke dikena (baka kitai ke pasar; bisi bejalai kaki, bisi merau, bisi ngena entukar, bisi ngena bilun, bisi nya senang bisi nya tusah) nuju kediri ngagai Petara….but we both move to the same direction & same wish: to enter God Kingdom after death.

Let’s focus on our main agenda. Even if you win the debate here we still need to work hard to face the BN in the next state election. I think this “Allah” issue brings a lot of disadvantages to the opposition and almost impossible to unite all races to vote out the BN if we are not careful of what we are writing here.

Ingat semua bansa bisi macha blog DB. Never portray yourselves as hypocrites, extremists, racists, religious fanatics…..becos that can KILL our dream ka begempung enggau bansa bukai NUMBANG ke BN…isnt that is DB agenda?

PEACE be with you all!
Antubaruhdagu on January 13th, 2010 8:15 pm

Dipelaba ka aku,penemu ti enda betul ari unggal Janggal nya ketegal ari ia ti nyau kelalu maioh meda tauka “surfing”laman web ti enda menuku ngujung ka ia tuyu,bagu serta dadak.Sejarah ni entah ke dipeda ia?Kada enda “zaman jahilliyah rom kelia”.

Unggal Janggal,diatu taun 2010 unggal,diatu orang ba laman web tu bejurai ke “penggunaan ALLAH” ba orang ke ukai islam.Nyadi enggau nuan nyau sengapa utai dipadah ka dalam tu.Anang majak ke nulis penemu nuan ti tuyu nya,nyau sengapa laman web ke di up load nuan.Enti ba jako kami iban…nya ke kumbai orang bangka.

Ngagai semua kaban bukai ti selalu meda laman web tu,terus beFORUM…Tang anang kelalu lebih ari patut endur kitai besebut ke utai.

Antubaruhdagu.
Manang Empangau on January 13th, 2010 8:53 pm

I always relate anything with Allah is always Islam/Muslim. Allah is a muslim brand for their god created/named by their prophet. It sounds so arabic. Anything arabic is Islam/muslim. It’s weird for the christians in thiis region calling their god as Allah. It’s weirder still to call Jesus is Allah and Allah is Jesus as in the doctrine of Holy Trinity. I still stubborn rejecting Allah is the god of the christians. We must be aware that our muslim neighbors donot want us to share their god’s name, meaning to say, the christian god is different from the muslim god.

It’s more appropriate for the ibans or any dayak to call the christian god by their respective language and not simply blindly pick a term from a malay/arab language. If the christians need to write in malay, they must not pick an arabic term for their god. If the arab christians write in arabic language, it’s their right to refer their christian god in their language.

I won’t support the use of term Allah to refer to the christian god. Let drop the term from the christian tabloids. Allah isn’t christian.He is a muslim. Jesus is a christian and he is their Lord, their Savior and their God.

Puji ke Apai ba serega din.
Janggal on January 14th, 2010 12:46 am

Who Tampered With the Bible Scriptures?
Who rewrote the Bible to support the Trinity Doctrine?

”Learned men, so called Correctores were, following the church
meeting at Nicea 325 AD, selected by the church authorities to
scrutinize the sacred texts and rewrite them in order to correct
their meaning in accordance with the views which the church
had just sanctioned.”
-Einfhrung in die Textkritik des griechischen
Testaments: Eberhard Nestle
http://the-final-warning.xanga.com/700847719/item/
Janggal on January 14th, 2010 12:57 am

In fact, Sir William Whiston stated, “We certainly know of a greater number of interpolations and corruptions brought into the Scriptures by the Athanasians, and relating to the Doctrine of the Trinity, than in any other case whatsoever. While we have not, that I know of, any such interpolation or corruption made in any one of them [the Scriptures] by either the Eusebians or Arians.” (Second letter to the Bishop of London, 1719, p 15).

http://7thday.web.officelive.com/matthew_28_19.aspx
Manang Empangau on January 14th, 2010 7:07 am

Anyone who does not agree with the doctrine of Trinity does not agree to call God as his Father, Jesus as his brother and the Holy Spirit as his comforter coming down from Heaven in a spiritual form and can make a human more heavenly in nature. It’s even weird if one does not believe in the Holy Spirit coz the christians believe that the Holy Spirit is God. If the Holy Spirit is not God, it means that God is not a spirit or exist in a spiritual form.

Some people of Arabian origin as Mr GKM2020 mentioned one of them in his other issue, Allah is a universal term for the Arab to call their god as in the way the ibans called god their Petara. Other religion is free to call god by this iban term if they want. I think most of the Ibans if not all don’t envy the Buddhist etc for using the term PETARA to refer to their deities. Yes, the word ‘most’ is not appropriate here. It is where there are bound to have several people who are against the use of it. It’s where, there are a few people who are dare enough to burn other people’s houses of worship coz of their god.

Of course, for the other regions in this world, Prophet Mohammad wanted to make Allah is simply specific for the muslim god. But in the Arabian world, the Arab citizen are free to use it regardless they are muslim or not. It’s the right of an arab citizen to use the term unless their government has specified it in its constitution mention ‘Non-Muslims aren’t allow to call their god as Allah’

These are my personal opinion; just a think-tank idea for everyone here.

Mupok aku, ka belian bebunuh antu buyu ke ka nunu rumah Petara Kristian.

ME
Manang Empangau on January 15th, 2010 7:36 am

Pagi tu Datuk Nazri madahka kitai ba Sabah Sarawak tau manggil Petara kitai ngena nama Allah laban endang udah lama kitai ngena jaku nya. Datuk pen bisi enggau sembiang ba gerija deka mendingka sekali ke kitai ke sembiang nya bisi deka bejaku jai agai sida kaban kitai Selam nya. Ney, kumbai iya bisi ngajar kitai bejaku jai ke urang bukai meh Tuhan Jesus kitai nya Igat. Amat bisa sampi Datuk nya ga. Kada enda bisi Tuhan Jesus bejaku ba pending iya deh!

Huh! Udu balat bakal ga antu buyu kena pantap kami sida Manang Hidon enggau Manang Lachau ke ngachau bini Aya Apai Saloi nya.
arah on January 15th, 2010 8:00 am

Salam

My dear Janggal

Thank you for your sharing, caring and loving

I really hope that our Dayak will pray and serve to One God the Almighty Creator or Allah Taala atau Tuhan yang Esa.

Malang sungguh, sebelum kedatangan Missionary Christian orang Dayak percaya Tuhan yang Satu, Tuhan yang tiada anak dan Tuhan yang Maha Kuasa tetapi orang Kristian telah menukar kepercayaan Orang dayak kepada mempercayai ajaran Paul atau Saul Pembunuh.

Semuga Allah Taala membuka hati orang Dayak agar mengkaji Bible dan Al Quran dan kembali mengamalkan ajaran Allah yang sebenar.

Wassalam
Manang Empangau on January 15th, 2010 8:40 am

Pada mulanya surga dan bumi dicipta Tuhan dan Tuhan itu adalah satu. Tuhan itulah mencipta manusia Adam dengan daya kreativitinya tanpa mengandungkan isterinya dengan mudah sekali, tanpa menggunakan pompuan.

Ya, Nah! Bagi manusia sekarang seperti pemikiran Tuan Arah, adalah begitu susah Tuhan nak menjelma sebagai manusia. Dianggap itu sajalah mujizat yang tak dapat dilakukan oleh Tuhan mereka. Kalau ikut kebolehannya mencipta Adam, adalah begitu senanglah Tuhan menjelma sebagai manusia. Tetapi amat susahlah dia menjadi manusia walaupun melalui seorang perawan.

Aku ingin percaya kepada Tuhan yang serba boleh, iaitu, dia boleh wujud sebagai roh dan juga sebagai manusia atau mana mana dia suka untuk mendekati umatnya. Tuhan yang tak ada kuasa untuk menjelma sebagai manusia nampaknya Tuhan yang tidak berkemampuan mujizatnya.
arah on January 17th, 2010 12:12 am

My dear Manang Empangau.

We all love Jesus and I know you also love Jesus

Top 10 reasons why Jesus Can’t be God

http://www.islamreligion.com/videos/3067/
Cikgu Iban on January 17th, 2010 7:42 am

Manang Empangau,

Uji belian kita tiga Manang Hidon anggau Manang Lachau, belian bebunuh buyu bala sida Arah enggau Janggal.

Balat endar bala buyu orang nya ngachau bala kitai tu ditu. Tak nyau nadai orang bukai kr besebut ke pasal rilijin ditu, tak majak ngasoh kitai Iban nyelam.

Bunuh meh buyu orang ke baka seudai dua tu!. Leka pelian kita tiga asoh nganjung semangat seduai dua tu ngagai Semengok Wildlife Centre, lak ke begulai enggau buyu Indai Tuai Rasung ke apin lama udah nadai taun tu kemari.

Aku tu semina senbiang aje, nadai jalai bukai.

Cheers…
Manang Empangau on January 17th, 2010 11:12 am

Tn Arah,

Ten reasons why Jesus cannot be God according to Islam:

Reason #10 – God Can not be Born! [start time 04:00]
Reason #09 – There is unequivocal textual evidence [start time 05:05]
Reason #08 – No one has seen God! [start time 09:20]
Reason #07 – This was the not belief of early Christians [start time 11:31]
Reason #06 – Jesus Ate, Slept, and Prayed [start time 14:38]
Reason #05 – Jesus claimed that God’s Knowledge is greater than his [start time 16:44]
Reason #04 – Jesus Explicitly states that he is not God [start time 20:10]
Reason #03 – Son of God? [start time 22:50]
Reason #02 – God does not change [start time 29:29]
Reason #01 – God is the object of Worship! [start time 43:05]

_________________________________________
JAWAPAN MANANG EMPANGAU:

Reason #10 – God Can not be Born! [start time 04:00]

ME:
That means your god is not an absolutely almighty for not being able to do the least one simplest thing on earth.

Reason #09 – There is unequivocal textual evidence [start time 05:05]

ME:
You don’t believe his miraculous power coz the muslims never saw them.

Reason #08 – No one has seen God! [start time 09:20]

ME:
In spiritual sense, of course god is invisible. There is nothing impossible for god to do if he wants to do it for the good of mankind. Anyone who has seen god who is considered invisible is insane/mentally retarded.

Reason #07 – This was the not belief of early Christians [start time 11:31]

ME:
That’s the muslim’s interpretation of the early christians.

Reason #06 – Jesus Ate, Slept, and Prayed [start time 14:38]

ME:
For the God Almighty, he was able to come as a human and then ate, slept and prayed with his disciples. Being a human, did not disqualify him as God.

Reason #05 – Jesus claimed that God’s Knowledge is greater than his [start time 16:44]

ME:
Jesus was saying this merely as being a humble God in human flesh. How could he be so arrogant and said “I am your God!!! listen to me”. It’s more than enough that he said “I am the only way to the Heaven. No one can come to the Father except through me”

Reason #04 – Jesus Explicitly states that he is not God [start time 20:10]

ME:
What verses that say that?

Reason #03 – Son of God? [start time 22:50]

ME:
The Spirit in Heaven proclaim that Jesus is His Son, listen to him.

Reason #02 – God does not change [start time 29:29]

ME:
Hmmmm…your god is not almighty for he couldn’t transform himself by is own absolute power.

Reason #01 – God is the object of Worship! [start time 43:05]

ME:
A stone statue or Kaaba or Buddha or human or Prophet Mohammad or Jesus or rock, animals, mountains, lightning, sun, moon, stars, can be worship as gods too.
Manang Empangau on January 17th, 2010 8:30 pm

Tuan Arah,

You said:

My dear Manang Empangau.

We all love Jesus and I know you also love Jesus

Top 10 reasons why Jesus Can’t be God

____________________________

Huh! You love Jesus only by your mouth, you know. How do you love him? What do you have to offer him for your love? I know many muslims love Jesus but do not follow his teaching or his two commandments. When the christians wanted to share god with you all by calling god as Allah, you people quickly complaint and burn the house of God of the christians. Is that considered following the teaching of Jesus or is that how you show your love for Jesus? Now, the term Allah can only be used in East Msia. Is that the love shown for the sake of Jesus? You see, how cool the christians be facing the vandalism that were caused by the unsatisfied humans who were against the christians calling god as Allah or trying to share god with them.
Janggal on January 19th, 2010 10:52 pm

JESUS of NAZARETH or Paul’s Jesus?
http://www.voiceofjesus.org/
Jesus of Nazareth is to be carefully distinguished from the Jesus or Christ of Paul. The churchmen, while preserving Jesus of Nazareth in the gospels, have not noticed the distinction because, seeing Jesus through the eyes of Paul, the shadow of Paul’s Jesus lies over the gospels and darkens their hearts and minds when they read. Nevertheless, through the centuries, there have been a few individuals who have known Jesus as he truly is, and their existence provides an unbroken chain of witnesses. This is the situation as it continues today. Understanding the distinction between Jesus of Nazareth and Paul’s Jesus is vital for our eternal salvation depends upon it.
Janggal on January 19th, 2010 11:00 pm

Was Jesus Perfect God and Perfect Man at the Same Time?
According to Orthodox Christian belief, Jesus was perfect man and perfect God at the same time. This belief is necessary for salvation according to the Athanasian creed held dear by most Christians. Modern Christian scholars reject this idea not because it is difficult to understand but because it cannot be meaningfully expressed. The doctrine cannot be stated in any way that is free from contradictions. It is impossible for Jesus to have been perfect man and perfect God at the same time, for this would mean that he was finite and infinite at the same time, that he was fallible and infallible at the same time. This cannot be.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/shabir.ally/new_page_26.htm
Janggal on January 19th, 2010 11:22 pm

William Ellery Channing is one of many Christians who have moved to that scriptural position. He wrote thus:

Where do you meet, in the New Testament, the phraseology which abounds in Trinitarian books and which necessarily grows from the doctrine of two natures in Jesus? Where does this divine teacher say, “this I speak as God, and this as man; this is true only of my human mind, this only of my divine?” Where do we find in the Epistles a trace of this strange phraseology? Nowhere. It was not needed in that day. It was demanded by the errors of a later age.
We believe, then that Christ is one mind, one being, and, I add, a being distinct from the one God. That Christ is not the one God, not the same being with the father, is a necessary inference from our former head, in which we saw that the doctrine of three persons in God is a fiction . . . . Jesus, in his preaching, continually spoke of God. The word was always in his mouth. We ask, does he by this word ever mean himself? We say, never. On the contrary, he most plainly distinguishes between God and himself, and so do his disciples. (William Ellery Channing, Unitarian Christianity and Other Essays, edited by Irving H. Bartlett (U.S.: Liberal Arts Press, 1957) pp. 17-18)
Iban Militant on January 20th, 2010 12:55 am

Janggal,

Here you can continuously write & talk blasphemy on Jesus Of Nazareth because you know for sure your actions are protected by the Ketuanan Melayu. And you also know for sure the Christians are not doing stupid things as the fanatic muslims did (burnt churches) and you know for sure non of the Christians will declare Jihad against you no matter how much you bad mouth the Christians or their Prophet…..BUT when you die you will be judged equally by God and not the Christians. And you got to believe that only thru Jesus human beings can have eternal life after death, this has been mentioned in the Bible several times. Those who are born but not aware of Jesus will be given the chance to repent but to those who know (thru any of 5 senses) but do not believe in Him will be thrown into Hell.

Peace be upon you.
Janggal on January 20th, 2010 10:38 am

Some Forgotten Sayings of Jesus

Any believer can call God “Father” according to the Bible
Jesus, at the end of his mission, made it clear that God is not only his father, but father of all, and God of all, and even his own God whom he worshipped throughout his earthly career. He said:

“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17 RSV 1952)

The writer who is Paul also made it clear that any believer can address God as “Father.” He wrote:

“We cry, Abba, Father” (Romans 8:15 KJV 1611).

Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:

“. . . Do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. (Matthew 23:1,9 NIV 1984)

According to Matthew, Jesus taught the crowds to call God ‘Father’. He said to them:

“This, then, is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name . . .’ ” (Matthew 6:9 NIV).

Jesus made it clear that he is not God when he said:
“Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.” (Mark 10:18)

A man had ran up and knelt before Jesus and called him “Good Teacher.” Jesus used the opportunity to make it clear to people that they must not praise him more than a human being deserves to be praised.

Jesus depends on God for Authority: God depends on no one.
Jesus said:

“I can do nothing of my own authority” (John 5:30).

“I do as the Father has commanded me” (John 14:31 RSV).

Needless to say, God does not receive commands from anyone. Jesus said:

“The words that I say to you I do not speak of my own authority.” (John 14:10 RSV)

“I do nothing of my own authority but speak thus as the Father has taught me.” (John 8:28 RSV)

God has full authority, and full knowledge. He cannot be taught, but He teaches.

Jesus is not Equal to “The Father”
Jesus said:

“The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28 RSV).

People forget this and they say that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe—Jesus or the people?

Jesus Does Not Know Everything
Speaking of the Last Day, Jesus said:

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only” (Matthew 24:36).

Did Jesus Raise Himself up?
God raised him up. (Acts 2:24)

Jesus did not have power to raise himself up. God had to raise him up, as the author of Acts says.

Jesus prayed to God: God prays to no one. Jesus prayed, saying:
“Abba, Father, all things are possible to thee; remove this cup from me; yet not what I will, but what thou wilt.” (Mark 14:32)

Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God, begging God to save him from crucifixion. This also shows that Jesus had a will different from God’s will. The writers of Matthew, Mark, and Luke tell us that it was Jesus’s wish to be saved from crucifixion, but it was God’s will to let the crucifixion take place. This shows that Jesus had a will different from the will of God, at least for a moment. Therefore he was not God. He declared in a moment of desperation:

“My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46)

Jesus did not know the tree had no fruit
He [Jesus] was hungry. And on seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it , he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs (Mark 11 12-13).

When he saw that the tree had leaves, he thought that he might find fruit on it. But when he came up close to the tree he realised there were no fruits. After all, it was not even fig season.

Bible calls Jesus Servant of God
“Behold my servant whom I have chosen.” (Matthew 12:18 In this passage God calls Jesus His servant)

“The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus” (Acts 3:13).

For truly in this city there were gathered together against thy holy servant Jesus. . . (Acts 4:27).

Everyone, except for God, are God’s servants. Jesus, too, is God’s servant.

Who was real Worker of Miracles?
Bible says it was God who did the miracles through Jesus:

Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: (Acts 2:22 KJV)

People say that since Jesus worked many miracles, he must be God. But here we see that God did the miracles; Jesus was the instrument God used to accomplish His work. Jesus was a man whom God approved of. This means he was a righteous man.

Jesus cannot guarantee positions
“To sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father” (Matthew 20:23).

Therefore if we want to secure our position with God in the life hereafter we must turn to God and ask Him.

A Misunderstood saying
I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)

People like to quote this saying, but they forget the following saying:

John 17:11: “Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.”

This shows that what was meant was one in purpose, not one in substance as people think. The disciples could not become one human, but they can pursue the same goal. That is to say, they can be one in purpose, just as Jesus and the Father are one in purpose.

Did Jesus say everything John says he said?
Consider the following sayings of Jesus found in John’s Gospel alone:

John 14:9: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”
John 6:35: “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life.”
John 8:12: “I am the light of the world.”
John 8:58: “Before Abraham was, I am.”
John 10:7: “I am the door of the sheep.”
John 11:25: “I am the resurrection, and the life.”
John 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life.”
John 15:1: “I am the true vine.”

Christian scholars tell us that if Jesus had made all these fantastic claims about himself, the first three gospels would surely have recorded them. Mark was written around 70 C.E., followed by Matthew and Luke somewhere between 80-90 C.E. John, written around 100 C.E., was the last of the four canonized gospels. The Christian scholar James Dunn writes in his book The Evidence for Jesus:

“If they were part of the original words of Jesus himself, how could it be that only John picked them up and none of the others? Call it scholarly skepticism if you like, but I find it almost incredible that such sayings should have been neglected had they been known as a feature of Jesus’ teaching. If the ‘I ams’ had been part of the original tradition, it is very hard indeed to explain why none of the other three evangelists made use of them.” (The Evidence for Jesus, p. 36)

Similarly, the New American Bible tells us in its introduction, under the heading How to Read Your Bible:

“It is difficult to know whether the words or sayings attributed to Jesus are written exactly as he spoke them. . . . The Church was so firmly convinced that . . . Jesus . . . taught through her, that she expressed her teaching in the form of Jesus’ sayings.” (St. Joseph Medium Size Edition, p.23)

What we have in John, then is what people were saying about Jesus at the time John was written (about 70 years after Jesus was raised up). The writer of John simply expressed those ideas as if Jesus had said them. Rev. James Dunn says further in his book that, almost certainly, the writer of the fourth gospel

“was not concerned with the sort of questions which trouble some Christians today — Did Jesus actually say this? Did he use these precise words? and so on.” (The Evidence for Jesus, p. 43)

Scholars have concluded that this gospel was originally written in a simple form. But this gospel was later on, as the New Jerusalem Bible says, “amplified and developed in several stages during the second half of the first century.” (The New Jerusalem Bible: Introduction to John, p. 1742)

It says further:

“It is today freely accepted that the fourth Gospel underwent a complex development before it reached its final form.” (p. 1742)

On a previous page, the same Bible says:

“It would seem that we have only the end-stage of a slow process that has brought together not only component parts of different ages, but also corrections, additions and sometimes even more than one revision of the same discourse.” (The New Jerusalem Bible, p. 1739)

The New American Bible says that most scholars “have come to the conclusion that the inconsistencies were probably produced by subsequent editing in which homogeneous materials were added to a shorter original.” (The New American Bible, Revised New Testament, p. 143)

God Reveals the Truth About Jesus
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” — Cease! (it is) better for you! — Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His transcendent majesty that he should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
The Messiah will not scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favoured angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him:
Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom. And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper. O mankind! Now hath a proof from your Lord come unto you, and We have sent down unto you a clear light; As for those who believe in Allah, and hold fast unto Him, them He will cause to enter into His mercy and grace, and He will guide them unto Him by a straight road. (The Meaning of the Glorious Qur’an: 4:171-176)
gkm2020 on January 20th, 2010 11:35 am

UPDATED 20/1/2010:

Anwar hosts roundtable on ‘Allah’

Libra: Pakatan Rakyat has shown leadership by organizing the roundtable discussion. Umno, on the other hand, is still dreaming to get back Malay support. They are too arrogant to even discuss the issue with non-Muslims leaders in the BN component parties.

BTN: This is the way to approach issues. Umno has to take a few lessons from Pakatan on this. The government is in a state of denial and does not know how to handle this case. Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein only knows how to whack the opposition. When it comes to things like this, he will just say ‘everything’s under control’.

Our DPM, he seems at a loss as to how to reconcile the conflicting views of his fellow Umno ministers. Umno president Najib Abdul Razak is in the highest state of denial and simply brushing aside the issue as a ‘minor aberration’.

RR: It is a good start – seeking to reach a common understanding amongst the rival Muslims. When Islamic scholars the world over substantiate the assertion that usage of ‘Allah’ can be traced to pre-Islamic times, it is incumbent upon the Malaysian political and religious leaders to convince the minority of Muslim leaders who believe otherwise to change their minds and be progressive.

Why must Malaysia be different in this context? Not even the largest Muslim nation Indonesia or the other Middle East countries have seen the disturbances that have occurred in Malaysia over the issue. This will brand us as a fanatical Muslim country and is not good for our future, especially in its multi-racial and multi-religious content. Umno leaders should hold their own discussions with the ulama to bring about peace.

John Smith: Another roundtable on this issue which leaves out theologians from other religions? I had expected more of Anwar. You cannot come up with a proper understanding of an issue if you limit yourself to hearing from just one party.

When discussing what you think is sensible and likely to be accepted, surely you need to have experts from the other groups to advise you on whether your concepts actually agree with the teaching of their religion and might indeed be acceptable.

Anti-hoodwinkers: A true scholar would read scriptures other than his or her own in order to correctly interpret the Quran and reconcile the different verses instead of looking for differences between them.

The scholar would then be able to see that we are all children of one and the same universal God, who is called by many names but is in the heart of both the believer and the non-believer. The fanatics should not to go into a mad frenzy and display their bloated egos over the name of this same God.

Cala: Anwar is putting his own house in order, doings some soul-searching, contemplating the options available to him, working out the strengths and weaknesses within Pakatan, trying to understand the existing institutional arrangements, the outside forces, and trying to appreciate the gaps that need to be plugged.

In a simpler term, he is strategizing what course of action he needs to take in light of the harsh reality conditioned partly by a “manipulative and diabolical” (according to the report) opponent.

The debate should continue and the group size doubled, when necessary. If need be, outside experts should be consulted. This is a display of fair- mindedness, and a commitment to learn and share with your party cadres on issue of this nature. It is hardly surprising that those in the meeting walked away feeling elated.

INFO
Nor on January 20th, 2010 3:49 pm

Arabs being the decendants of prophet Abraham have the knowledge of supreme being called Allah. This is pre Muhammad period. Over times they have corrupted their believe like the christian did by allowing other dieties be incoporated with Allah.

Muhammad bring the original believe in Tauheed and therefore Allah is One.

Muslims will never let Allah name be corrupted again.

Tracing Allah use during pre Muhammad just proved that Abraham roots are with the Arabs.

Allah have reminded the believers who He is but still people want to return to jahilliyah….
Nicky on January 20th, 2010 9:46 pm

As usual it is always AMENO leaders who only can make final say.They even can override judiciary decision to suit their political needs.One of these days if they are still in power they might decide to say that Christians in Sarawak and Sabah can marry Muslim girls or boys without being converted to Islam when there is state election around the corner but in West Malaysia it is a must because they are the majority..

Don’t take their words for granted because they might reverse their decision after election especially if Be End(BN) win big.If they need our support in parliament it will stay.You can never trust their words .Today they say one thing and tomorrow they will interpret it differently.We have to filter everything they say before we can take it.Be our own judge is the best solution when facing crooked politicians especially those BE End(BN) YBs.

I have mixed experience working with some West Malaysian executives when I was with Petronas.They even said that we Sarawakians and Sabahans put our brain in our knees not in our head.Meaning to say they look down on us that is why they can easily cheat us and mentally better than us. Come this coming state election we Sarawakians must show to them(West Malaysians) that our brain is put in our heads like theirs and we must vote them out(AMENO cronies and all BN candidates) because they have been sucking out our resources to enrich those powerful few and their families.

Currently in parliament ,without Sarawak and Sabah Be End(BN) MPs support ,AMENO would have been sitting on opposition side but in term of ministers representation in Najib’s cabinet Sarawak and Sabah have less than five ministers compare to Johor alone which has nine ministers in the cabinet.Where is 1 Malaysia concept and “bediri sama tinggi,duduk sama rendah”concept here.
Ah liang on January 21st, 2010 10:23 am

Now, in regard to the Malaysian Muslim attacks toward the churches, I truly disagree with that. Why they are so afraid that Muslims will get confused and convert to Christianity?

If they have a strong faith, they will not change their faith. Their actions only damage the image of Islam. Do you think Allah agrees with your action?

If Christians are doing wrong, let God do His job and punish them. Who are you, that you can do such brutal deeds? Did Allah give you the authority to do it?

The Malaysian government should do something to avoid more churches being destroyed. I am sure those who have done this are not true Muslims, but a group that hate the peace and harmonization born in Malaysia.
Manang Empangau on January 23rd, 2010 7:13 am

Nor, if your god has started from Abraham, I don’t see the reason that you disagree the christians using the term Allah. I think you think that Jesus has made the difference.
Ini Andan on January 23rd, 2010 7:27 am

Jangal/Utaz Arah,
Semoga Allah memberi petunjuk untuk kamu berdua melalui Roh Kudus ke jalan yang sebenar nya menuju syurga.

Dalam nama Jesus Kristus, kami harus bersyukur bahawa kamu berdua sekurang-kurang nya telah membuka bible atau al kitab untuk mengenali siapa itu; Allah Bapa, Allah Anak dan Roh Kudus.

Dipersilakanlah membaca Bible atau Al Kitab dengan hati yang penuh lapang, maka kamu akan mencari kebenarannya, kerana itu yang selalu terjadi apabila kita berasa Jangal atau hilang Arah terhadap Agama yang kita anuti.

Dalamilah Agama saudara sendiri sedalam dalam nya sebelum Roh Kudus masuk bekerja dalam diri kamu. Kerana Allah itu maha berkuasa dan tidak ada satu benda pun yang terjadi dalam dunia ini tanpa kebenaran Nya. Jadi kalau rasa belum kuat dalam Islam jangan sekali kali bermain dengan api(mengkaji Bible/Al Kitab) bukan apa takut murtad nanti, kena beringat bahawa TUHAN akan selalu mendengar apa yang telah keluar dari mulut kita.

Amen
Manang Empangau on January 23rd, 2010 7:51 am

Igat Janggal,

Sigi enda janggal kitai kunsi Apai enggau Jesus. Sida selam sigi enggai bapai ke Petara/Allah laban sida enda pechaya ke Petara bisi anak, enda nemu ng*mput laban Petara nya roh ga. Aku enda kala ninga sida selam nganggauka Allah sida iya Apai. Nyau Allah belama lama didinga aku ba TV ninting hari deh.
arah on January 23rd, 2010 12:07 pm

My dear Ini Andan,

Terima kasih kerana anda mempunyai hati yang suci dan bersih

Saya telah lama memiliki dan membaca bible sejak beberapa tahun yang lalu. Tetapi saya dapati banyak percanggahan dalam bible tu. Bible bukan lagi tulin kerana tak siapa yang tahu siapa sebenarnya yg menulis bible tu.

Walau bagaimana pun saya percaya ajaran ajaran Nabi Isa dan Nabi Musa walaupun jelas mereka di utus untuk bani Israel aje bukan umat manusia.

Apa yg mengecewakan ialah surat surat Paul atau Saul Pembunuh yg menghina Nabi Isa dan bercanggah dengan ajaran Nabi Musa dan Nabi Isa.

Orang Dayak sejak sebelum kedatangan Kristian telah percaya Allah Ta’ala yang Esa atau Satu.

Bacalah Bible dan jangan lupa baca juga Al Quran semua Allah memberi kita petunjuk.

3:1 (Malay) Alif laam miim.

3:2 (Malay) Allah, tidak ada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) melainkan Dia. Yang Hidup kekal lagi terus menerus mengurus makhluk-Nya.

3:3 (Malay) “Dia menurunkan Al Kitab (Al Qur’an) kepadamu dengan sebenarnya; membenarkan kitab yang telah diturunkan sebelumnya dan menurunkan Taurat dan Injil.”

3:4 (Malay) “Sebelum (Al Qur’an), menjadi petunjuk bagi manusia, dan Dia menurunkan Al Furqaan. Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang kafir terhadap ayat-ayat Allah akan memperoleh siksa yang berat; dan Allah Maha Perkasa lagi mempunyai balasan (siksa).”

3:5 (Malay) Sesungguhnya bagi Allah tidak ada satu pun yang tersembunyi di bumi dan tidak (pula) di langit.

3:6 (Malay) Dialah yang membentuk kamu dalam rahim sebagaimana dikehendaki-Nya. Tak ada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) melainkan Dia, Yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana.

3:7 (Malay) “Dia-lah yang menurunkan Al Kitab (Al Qur’an) kepada kamu. Di antara (isi) nya ada ayat-ayat yang muhkamaat itulah pokok-pokok isi Al Qur’an dan yang lain (ayat-ayat) mutasyaabihaat. Adapun orang-orang yang dalam hatinya condong kepada kesesatan, maka mereka mengikuti sebagian ayat-ayat yang mutasyabihat untuk menimbulkan fitnah dan untuk mencari-cari takwilnya, padahal tidak ada yang mengetahui takwilnya melainkan Allah. Dan orang-orang yang mendalam ilmunya berkata: “”Kami beriman kepada ayat-ayat yang mutasyabihat, semuanya itu dari isi Tuhan kami.”" Dan tidak dapat mengambil pelajaran (daripadanya) melainkan orang-orang yang berakal.”

3:8 (Malay) “(Mereka berdoa): “”Ya Tuhan kami, janganlah Engkau jadikan hati kami condong kepada kesesatan sesudah Engkau beri petunjuk kepada kami, dan karuniakanlah kepada kami rahmat dari sisi Engkau; karena sesungguhnya Engkau-lah Maha Pemberi (karunia).”"”

3:9 (Malay) “”"Ya Tuhan kami, sesungguhnya Engkau mengumpulkan manusia untuk (menerima pembalasan pada) hari yang tak ada keraguan padanya”". Sesungguhnya Allah tidak menyalahi janji.”

3:10 (Malay) Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang kafir, harta benda dan anak-anak mereka, sedikit pun tidak dapat menolak (siksa) Allah dari mereka. Dan mereka itu adalah bahan bakar api neraka,

3:11 (Malay) “(keadaan mereka) adalah sebagai keadaan kaum Firaun dan orang-orang yang sebelumnya; mereka mendustakan ayat-ayat Kami; karena itu Allah menyiksa mereka disebabkan dosa-dosa mereka. Dan Allah sangat keras siksa-Nya.”

3:12 (Malay) “Katakanlah kepada orang-orang yang kafir: “”Kamu pasti akan dikalahkan (di dunia ini) dan akan digiring ke dalam neraka Jahanam. Dan itulah tempat yang seburuk-buruknya”".”

3:13 (Malay) Sesungguhnya telah ada tanda bagi kamu pada dua golongan yang telah bertemu (bertempur). Segolongan berperang di jalan Allah dan (segolongan) yang lain kafir yang dengan mata kepala melihat (seakan-akan) orang-orang muslimin dua kali jumlah mereka. Allah menguatkan dengan bantuan-Nya siapa yang dikehendaki-Nya. Sesungguhnya pada yang demikian itu terdapat pelajaran bagi orang-orang yang mempunyai mata hati.

3:14 (Malay) Dijadikan indah pada (pandangan) manusia kecintaan kepada apa-apa yang diingini, yaitu: wanita-wanita, anak-anak, harta yang banyak dari jenis emas, perak, kuda pilihan, binatang-binatang ternak dan sawah ladang. Itulah kesenangan hidup di dunia dan di sisi Allah-lah tempat kembali yang baik (surga).

3:15 (Malay) “Katakanlah: “”Inginkah aku kabarkan kepadamu apa yang lebih baik dari yang demikian itu?”" Untuk orang-orang yang bertakwa (kepada Allah), pada sisi Tuhan mereka ada surga yang mengalir di bawahnya sungai-sungai; mereka kekal di dalamnya. Dan (mereka dikaruniai) istri-istri yang disucikan serta keridaan Allah: Dan Allah Maha Melihat akan hamba-hamba-Nya.”

3:16 (Malay) “(Yaitu) orang-orang yang berdoa: “”Ya Tuhan kami, sesungguhnya kami telah beriman, maka ampunilah segala dosa kami dan peliharalah kami dari siksa neraka,”"”

3:17 (Malay) (yaitu) orang-orang yang sabar, yang benar, yang tetap taat, yang menafkahkan hartanya (di jalan Allah), dan yang memohon ampun di waktu sahur.

3:18 (Malay) Allah menyatakan bahwasanya tidak ada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) melainkan Dia, Yang menegakkan keadilan. Para malaikat dan orang-orang yang berilmu (juga menyatakan yang demikian itu). Tak ada Tuhan (yang berhak disembah) melainkan Dia, Yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana.

3:19 (Malay) Sesungguhnya agama (yang diridai) di sisi Allah hanyalah Islam. Tiada berselisih orang-orang yang telah diberi Al Kitab kecuali sesudah datang pengetahuan kepada mereka, karena kedengkian (yang ada) di antara mereka. Barang siapa yang kafir terhadap ayat-ayat Allah maka sesungguhnya Allah sangat cepat hisab-Nya.

ALLAHUAKHBAR
Lintong on January 23rd, 2010 1:51 pm

YES both websites Dr.Mark A Gabriel and Fr.Zakaria Boutros have given me deep insights into both religions, Christianity and Islam.

Terima kasih PUP for your information.
Janggal on January 24th, 2010 10:23 am

The Q Gospel……
What Q Tells Us about primitive Christianity:

The importance of Q is staggering. The interval from the death of Christ to the writing of the first parts of Q1 was probably only about 20 years. The next Gospel, Mark, was not written until another 20 or more years had passed. Although Paul wrote his Epistles during the 50′s and early 60′s, they contained very little material on Jesus’ sayings and activities. Thus, Q1 gives us a much better understanding of an early, non-Pauline Christian movement: their preoccupations, beliefs, and developing theology. Q1 implies that essentially all of present-day Christian beliefs were unknown to the immediate followers of Jesus. The concept of Jesus as Lord or as a member of the Trinity was completely foreign to their thinking. God was very definitely a single entity — the Jehovah of the Hebrew Scriptures.

The followers of Jesus who wrote Q might not have been able to survive into the 2nd century CE with an almost completely undeveloped theology. For Christianity to survive and grow, a complete Christian theological structure was needed. This requirement was met by Paul, the writers of the four canon Gospels, and other Christians who provided the writings which became the official New Testament canon. After the gospels of Matthew and Luke were written, Q became redundant. The contents of Q was now available in the new gospels, along with much other material. The original gospel would no longer have been used; it disappeared from the face of history.

Assuming that Q did exist, one is led to the belief that most of modern-day Christian beliefs and rituals have little or nothing to do with the beliefs and teachings of the immediate followers of Jesus. If we could enter a time machine and travel back to the late 40′s CE, we might track down the author(s) of Q1. They would belong to a primitive Christian movement that regarded themselves as devout Jews, and who followed the teachings of Yeshua, a philosopher teacher. If we could travel back even earlier, we might find the same early Christian group who had the same beliefs and practices, but who passed them on orally; they had not yet written them down.
Manang Empangau on January 24th, 2010 10:33 am

Yes, it’s just like writing a story of Apai Saloi or Pak Pandir/Mat Jenin.
rara rimau on July 10th, 2010 2:31 pm

saya seorang kristian dan saya bangga menjadi penganut kristian.
rara rimau on July 10th, 2010 7:49 pm

Perkataan ALLAH itu memang telah wujud sebelum lahirnya Nabi Muhammad, kerana perkataan itu adalah bahasa ataupun dialek di tempat itu. Jadi, bila Nabi Muhammad ini lahir, dari kecil dia telah mendengar perkataan Allah, sehinggalah Islam diwujudkan di muka bumi ini, maka perkataan itu teruslah tersebar ke seluruh dunia, hinggalah ke Tanah Melayu, Sabah dan Sarawak. TAPI CUBA ANDA FIKIRKAN JIKA NABI MUHAMMAD ITU LAHIR DI SARAWAK, ANDA RASA PERKATAAN APA YANG DIA AKAN PAKAI BAGI MENGGANTIKAN ALLAH ITU…BETUL..!!!! PETARA…!!!!!! Baka sida bungai nuing subamehnya..